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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: clancam37 on Monday 13 March 17 22:48 GMT (UK)
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Can sks please look up Scotland's People on my behalf.
Looking for death of my GGF, John Campbell born 1826 Longley's Perthshire,Scotland, Parents Duncan Campbell and Elizabeth Baxter. John had sisters, Catherine,Mary,Jane and Helen. Have searched for approximately 23 years for his date and place of death -- looked everywhere except Scotland's Peoples -- a little expensive for aged persons. As he was a Master Mariner have looked world-wide without success.
Kind regards
clancam37
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Hi CC,
Do you mean New Register House or SP website?
Could this be him (age out a bit) but not uncommon depending on who the informant was;
CAMPBELL JOHN
55 (would make his birth year 1806)
1861
348/ 23
Dunblane
Annie
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Have searched for approximately 23 years for his date and place of death -- looked everywhere except Scotland's Peoples -- a little expensive for aged persons. As he was a Master Mariner have looked world-wide without success.
Kind regards
clancam37
You may find an obituary online but an actual death cert. can only be obtained through SP.
"Credits cost £0.25 each and are available in batches of 30 (£7.50) or 40 (£10) from the buy credits page. The number of credits and costs of digital images for the different record types are as follows:
Statutory registers of births (older than 100 years), marriages (older than 75 years) and deaths (older than 50 years) cost 6 credits (£1.50)"
A cup of coffee costs more ;)
Annie
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Just wondering, have you searched census records to narrow down his last existence?
Was his wife a widow on any census or did she predecease him?
You haven't mentioned his children?
Do you have them on census'?
Marriage certs for children would give his occupation & his status as 'deceased' if that was the case which would narrow things if alive when one was married but deceased when another married?
Annie
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HI Rosinish,
Thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.
I was suggesting look-ups on the Scotlands Peoples website an excellent site but a little expensive for persons on fixed incomes.
Last found him on Liverpool UK 1871 Census at Liverpool with his family, all of whom migrated to Victoria, Australia. All the family died in Australia and accounted for. My GGF is the only one missing. Cannot find his death anywhere and Scotlands Peoples seems the last hope.
He gained his Masters Ceritificate at Dundee Scotland 10 May 1854 and after a shipwreck a replacement Masters Ceritificate issued at Liverpool UK September 1868. There is no record of sea-faring activity after 1867.
Kind regards
calncam37
Hi CC,
Do you mean New Register House or SP website?
Could this be him (age out a bit) but not uncommon depending on who the informant was;
CAMPBELL JOHN
55 (would make his birth year 1806)
1861
348/ 23
Dunblane
Annie
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HI Rosinish,
Thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.
I was suggesting look-ups on the Scotlands Peoples website an excellent site but a little expensive for persons on fixed incomes.
Last found him on Liverpool UK 1871 Census at Liverpool with his family, all of whom migrated to Victoria, Australia. All the family died in Australia and accounted for. My GGF is the only one missing. Cannot find his death anywhere and Scotlands Peoples seems the last hope.
He gained his Masters Ceritificate at Dundee Scotland 10 May 1854 and after a shipwreck a replacement Masters Ceritificate issued at Liverpool UK September 1868. There is no record of sea-faring activity after 1867.
In that case if you know he was still alive in 1867 then that death in 1861 can't be him.
As for a look-up on SP, it's a pay-per-view site i.e. would cost anyone else to look it up & probably a lot more than £1.50 not knowing where or when in Scotland he died & a common name but strangely the one I found has a mother's m/s of Baxter & coincidently, near to where he was born.
How sure are you of his last seafaring date?
Annie
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Have you checked this death for a John Campbell birth year 1826
Death July -Sept 1874 Liverpool Lancashire age 48 ?
Rosie
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That looks good Rosie,
I didn't search elsewhere as OP said;
Have searched for approximately 23 years for his date and place of death -- looked everywhere except Scotland's Peoples
A pity it wasn't on SP as it would have been a fraction of the price.
Annie
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Related post;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765576.msg6174385#msg6174385
Would have saved 'double trouble' :-\
Annie
Added...another (which I posted further down the page) but thought it an idea to post here too..
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=762210.0
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There is a seaman John Campbell age 54 (born 1825) arriving in Sydney New South Wales 20 May 1879.
He arrived on the ship Reindeer of Dundee (can't make out where he sailed from).
There were 14 crew and 2 passengers. One of the passengers was Elizabeth Campbell and the list was signed by John Campbell (Master)!!
The ships list is shown under: "New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922"
John Campbell obtained his Masters papers in Liverpool in 1868.
Ray
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He arrived on the ship Reindeer of Dundee (can't make out where he sailed from).
Hi Ray,
Is it possible to post a 'snippet' with enough text to compare with, to see if we can decipher it please?
If the journey was a regular route it may give a clue to where he died if he didn't die in NSW?
Annie
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From link on Reply #8
"Trying to find his place and date of death sometime between 1871 and 1886"
Annie
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Here is the page: The port is transcribed as Charcuhe.
Need to re-post the page without the origin!!
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Ray,
You/we are allowed 'snippets' just not whole docs.
Annie
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Re-posted the crew list
Ray
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On post #5 clancam said there had been no record of sea faring activity after 1867. There is a record of a John Campbell [Mate] on a ship Australian Soveriegn travelling from Melbourne to Sydney in 1873. His age is given as 48 (born 1825) and origin location Argyleshire.
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Thanks Ray but...
A quick search of the ship name for more info. has pulled up yet another link on here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=762210.0
Very frustrating when legwork has already been done i.e. 'double trouble'
Annie
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On post #5 clancam said there had been no record of sea faring activity after 1867. There is a record of a John Campbell [Mate] on a ship Australian Soveriegn travelling from Melbourne to Sydney in 1873. His age is given as 48 (born 1825) and origin location Argyleshire.
Not sure this would be the correct person as OP's man was born Perthshire or do you mean the origin of the ship?
Annie
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No you are correct, I just misread that one. If the information on the Reindeer is correct and OP GGF is the Campbell on the Reindeer then it is unlikely that the marriage of his wife in 1886 has any connection to his death. Perhaps the wife thought she had been abandoned and therefore remarried.
Ray
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I have been watching this post with interest as I have been looking for a John Campbell for a long long time unfortunately not this one. For almost twenty years I have spent a fortune on certs. and visits to NRH in Edinburgh which now that I am retired I can't afford as often as I would like.
I have read back all clancam37's posts on John Campbell and I am really amazed at all the help he has received over the years researching him.
How lucky we are with all these helpful "Rooters " giving us so much advice and help I for one truly
appreciate it.
Jessie
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Mmm, yes Ray, quite possible to have thought she was abandoned or widowed.
There's no mention of whether he was ever 'at home' at/on any precise time (years)/place with wife & family after they emigrated?
Annie
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I have read back all clancam37's posts on John Campbell and I am really amazed at all the help he has received over the years researching him.
How lucky we are with all these helpful "Rooters " giving us so much advice and help I for one truly
appreciate it.
Jessie
Thanks Jessie,
I'm sure all will be delighted & 'appreciate' your words :)
Annie
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Hi RayDen, Thanks for your replies.
Interest in your remark -- was it the Reindeer John Campbell who gained his Master's Cert. in Liverpool in 1868? The ship Reindeer came from France ( Carcuche or similar). Have looked at this over the years -- undecided. My John had a daughter, Elizabeth Baxter Campbell born Liverpool, married name SALTER, married Victoria Australia.
Cannot find an Australian death, burial that might be him. Thanks for your interest.
With a GGF born in 1826 I too am aging and would very much like to find him while I'm compis mentis.
Kind regards
clancam37 There is a seaman John Campbell age 54 (born 1825) arriving in Sydney New South Wales 20 May 1879.
He arrived on the ship Reindeer of Dundee (can't make out where he sailed from).
There were 14 crew and 2 passengers. One of the passengers was Elizabeth Campbell and the list was signed by John Campbell (Master)!!
The ships list is shown under: "New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922"
John Campbell obtained his Masters papers in Liverpool in 1868.
Ray
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HI Jessie46, I too am overwhelmed with the number of replies to my search for my GGF. I have records of most ancestors back to 1711 in Perthshire and Fife where my ancestors originated.
Would dearly like to find my GGF place and date of Death to complete my FT. A large family reunion is planned for April 2017 as well as my major birthday so trying, trying to find this information.
Thanks to everyone for help and information.
Clancam37
I have been watching this post with interest as I have been looking for a John Campbell for a long long time unfortunately not this one. For almost twenty years I have spent a fortune on certs. and visits to NRH in Edinburgh which now that I am retired I can't afford as often as I would like.
I have read back all clancam37's posts on John Campbell and I am really amazed at all the help he has received over the years researching him.
How lucky we are with all these helpful "Rooters " giving us so much advice and help I for one truly
appreciate it.
Jessie
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Hi CC,
Sorry to say there is no death or burial registered on Scotland's People from 1870--1900.
Cheers
Geoff
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Cannot find an Australian death, burial that might be him. Thanks for your interest.
I mentioned above about whether he emigrated as you have not mentioned anything regarding being at home (an address) at any given time in Aus?
Did he live with his wife or have you no evidence of him living in Aus?
Annie
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Have you checked out the the death in Liverpool in 1874 ?
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Hi Clancam37,
I've not read back through all the posts concerning this chap but I have had a look at a number of trees on Ancestry concerning this family and they all appear rather evidence light. One tree purports to have the marriage certificate of John Campbell and Mary Ann Louise Usher but in fact it it a note of the banns. Clancam37 - do you have a copy of the marriage certificate and if so what is the groom's father's name and occupation? Also, (not sure if this tallies with what you have but it does feature in a number of the aforementioned trees) a Mary and Elizabeth Campbell travelled to Australia 1878 but they left from Gravesend in Kent - seems a bit unusual to claim this was John's wife and daughter given they lived in Liverpool where there were regular sailings to Australia.
Jen
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Jen
The passenger immediately before Mary Campbell on the ships list was Tryphena Usher the mother of Mary Campbell. Also on the ships list is son John, though unusually not shown directly with his mother.
There is a record of the marriage for John Campbell and Mary Usher on England Select Marriages and Johns father is shown as Duncan (no occupation given).
Ray
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Ray,
I thought John Duncan Campbell went out age 11, onboard the Remington out of Liverpool in 1876?
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/65101-shipwreck-Barbuda?p=446164
Missed the mother in law - can't be too many Tryphenas about!
Jen
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Jen
Missed that, I had just assumed (note to self never assume) that an 11 year old would not be travelling alone. Just tried to find the crew list for the Remington to see if his father was on crew - not the master that was a Robert Monro. Not found crew list as yet.
Ray
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Jen
Missed that, I had just assumed (note to self never assume) that an 11 year old would not be travelling alone. Just tried to find the crew list for the Remington to see if his father was on crew - not the master that was a Robert Monro. Not found crew list as yet.
Ray
The 1876 Crew Agreements of the Liverpool registered ship REMINGTON, official number 45910 are available from here.
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=45910
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What a great source Seaweed. Certainly something I shall archive for future use. Perhaps Clancam may wish to follow this up.
Ray
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Hi Jen, Thank you for your reply.
Your comment re Gravesend departure for Australia --- Yes it seemed unusual they did not leave from Liverpool. It was the correct family as Mary Ann Louisa , John's Wife was accompanied by her daughter Elizabeth Baxter Campbell and Mary's Mother Tryphena Usher. Gravesend seemed a little far to travel from Liverpool. My English geography is limited, learning by Michael Portillo's train journeys.
John Campbell's Father was Duncan Campbell born Dysart, Fife about 1795, occupation: Stonemason. His Mother Elizabeth Baxter born 1800 Meigle, Perthshire.
Thanks again to you and all the other wonderful RootsChat people.
Kind Regards
clancam37
Hi Clancam37,
I've not read back through all the posts concerning this chap but I have had a look at a number of trees on Ancestry concerning this family and they all appear rather evidence light. One tree purports to have the marriage certificate of John Campbell and Mary Ann Louise Usher but in fact it it a note of the banns. Clancam37 - do you have a copy of the marriage certificate and if so what is the groom's father's name and occupation? Also, (not sure if this tallies with what you have but it does feature in a number of the aforementioned trees) a Mary and Elizabeth Campbell travelled to Australia 1878 but they left from Gravesend in Kent - seems a bit unusual to claim this was John's wife and daughter given they lived in Liverpool where there were regular sailings to Australia.
Jen
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HI Jen, I thought my Grandfather, John Duncan Campbell then aged 11 went on the "Remington". He died in Sydney 1910, all other family members including Mary and her Mother Tryphena died in Victoria.
Would evry much like to find palce and date of death of GreatGrandFather John.
Regards
clancam37
Ray,
I thought John Duncan Campbell went out age 11, onboard the Remington out of Liverpool in 1876?
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/65101-shipwreck-Barbuda?p=446164
Missed the mother in law - can't be too many Tryphenas about!
Jen
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HI RayDen,
Thanks. Yes I believe my GrandFather John Duncan Campbell came to Australia on the "Remington". Cannot find a relationship Capt. Robert Munro to my GGF.
Kind regards
clancam37
Jen
Missed that, I had just assumed (note to self never assume) that an 11 year old would not be travelling alone. Just tried to find the crew list for the Remington to see if his father was on crew - not the master that was a Robert Monro. Not found crew list as yet.
Ray
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HI Seaweed, Thanks for your comments. It seems it was not unusual for an 11 year old to travel alone, according to others in Australia. At the time I found this entry I thought I may be mistaken.
There was another young fellow came with his father (age not specified) on the "Great Britain" at a similar date, however discounted this possibility.
Thanks for your continuing interest.
Kind regards
clancam37
Jen
Missed that, I had just assumed (note to self never assume) that an 11 year old would not be travelling alone. Just tried to find the crew list for the Remington to see if his father was on crew - not the master that was a Robert Monro. Not found crew list as yet.
Ray
The 1876 Crew Agreements of the Liverpool registered ship REMINGTON, official number 45910 are available from here.
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=45910
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Have you checked out the the death in Liverpool in 1874 ?
This question from Rosie was Reply #26, 1st asked by Rosie on Reply #6 but yet to be answered or acknowledged as are some of the questions I've asked?
This to me fits well with the date frame you're searching his death!....
"Trying to find his place and date of death sometime between 1871 and 1886"
You have not confirmed whether John was ever recorded at any address with his wife & family after they emigrated nor have you mentioned whether he was 'alive' on marriages of children?
Annie
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HI Rosie17,
Wrote, paid for, and received this Death Certificate some years ago. Alas was not my GGF.
Have checked other deaths in Lancashire and Warwickshire. Searched also for the Lodger, Jonas Blakey on the 1871 Census -- no success. The other Lodger on the 1871 census was his Father-In-Law John Usher. John Usher may have died in Victoria 1895 -- Can find no trace of John Usher coming to Australia. Thanks for your reply.
Regards
clancam37
Have you checked this death for a John Campbell birth year 1826
Death July -Sept 1874 Liverpool Lancashire age 48 ?
Rosie
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Hi Rosinish, He seemed to be away from Home frequently, very little census information on him over the years. When he and Mary Ann Louisa married in 1864 they left the next morning on his ship "Bon Accord" to travel to India. My GrandFather was born on the return journey to England November 1864 off the coast of Africa. I do have the Ship's Log entry of the birth with latitude and longitude. I do appreciate the assistance from so many people. Rootschat is a great site, Hopefully someone knows his fate.
Regards
clancam37
Mmm, yes Ray, quite possible to have thought she was abandoned or widowed.
There's no mention of whether he was ever 'at home' at/on any precise time (years)/place with wife & family after they emigrated?
Annie
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CC,
Looks like you have covered all areas most likely but nothing found, is it possible that with;
"The ship Reindeer came from France ( Carcuche or similar)" he may have died in France?
Annie
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Hi Clamclancam37,
Have you compared the signature on the marriage certifcate with those on the Reindeer's crew list (he signs twice by the look of it)? I'm curious as to why the Liverpool Master's ticket is 88690 while the original Dundee one was 10334 I didn't know a new number was allocated when a ticket was replaced. Finally, have you seen the death certificate of the John Campbell aged 65 who inconveniently died 1st quarter of 1891 in Liverpool - hence missing the census!
Jen
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John Usher may have died in Victoria 1895 -- Can find no trace of John Usher coming to Australia.
In case you haven't already found this, John Usher died on 11 August 1876 aged 64, abode Rathbone Street, Liverpool. He is buried at St James' cemetery in a family grave along with James and Tryphena Rickards and Elizabeth, Sarah and Maria Heath.