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Hi,
I am looking for any information on John Edward Stone born Bekesbourne, Kent 1892?
Johns parents were George Henry Hookes Stone and Charlotte Russell.
John emigrated to Australia in 1909? With his brother Thomas Russell Stone, my grandfather.
He enlisted and served as a gunner in WWI. I am unable locate his service record or any further information on him?
Thanks,
Kentstone
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You'd probably have more success re-posting this in the right section - after you've read what's in this one. The clue is really in the name, you know.
Good luck
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Hi I think these may be my Grandad's brothers.... he was Herbert Henry Stone, born in Bushey, Hertfordshire. His parents were James and Sarah.
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Hi,
I am looking for any information on John Edward Stone born Bekesbourne, Kent 1892?
Johns parents were George Henry Hookes Stone and Charlotte Russell.
John emigrated to Australia in 1909? With his brother Thomas Russell Stone, my grandfather.
He enlisted and served as a gunner in WWI. I am unable locate his service record or any further information on him?
Thanks,
Kentstone
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This is his birth on free bmd - so he could have been born at the end of 1891:
Births March quarter 1892
John Edward Stone at Bridge (2a 810)
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Which state of Australia were they residing in?
Jamjar
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Young, NSW
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Sorry,
There is no child Herbert Henry Stone on the census records for 1891 or 1901.
All the children of George & Charlotte are recorded as born in Bekesbourne, Kent or The district of Bridge.
Regards
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I see that Thomas Russell died in Sydney, NSW. Do you know where John died?
Jamjar
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Hi there,
May I ask if you have Thomas Russell STONE's marriage cert, and if John Edward STONE was noted there as a witness?
JM
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Death notice: STONE Thomas Russell Death notice 1 MAY 1970 Death 81 late of Blacktown Sydney Morning Herald 2 MAY 1970
Was there a funeral notice, as may mention John?
Jamjar
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There is a John Edward Stone on 1913 ER in Belmore NSW with Mary Ann - do you know who/if he married?
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Hello Kentstone,
There is no need for you to re-post your request for help, if you feel you post is in the wrong county we can easily move your post to the correct one for you. ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Hi
The other thread running . . . . .
Topics now merged
Ray
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Thanks for spotting the 2 threads Ray, I have now merged both together :)
Sarah
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There is a John Edward Stone on 1913 ER in Belmore NSW with Mary Ann - do you know who/if he married?
May I please mention that this was NOT Belmore as in a locality in NSW, (and there is a locality by that name in suburban Sydney NSW) but rather that is simply the name of that particular electorate. So the electorate in 1913 was Belmore and the polling place was Chalmers Street. At that time, the City of Sydney's wards included one based around Chalmers Street and that ward was known as Belmore in the late 1800s. Perhaps it was named Belmore after the park (Belmore Park) that is still located at the eastern end of Central Railway Station, Sydney CBD. http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/sydneys-history/people-and-places/park-histories/belmore-park
So that particular John Edward STONE was registered to vote (add: in the 1913 NSW ER) in respect of 515 Riley Street, and his occupation was recorded as carter. That 'Riley Street' runs from The Domain to Cleveland St, and 515 Riley Street would be in the suburb of Surry Hills.
Belmore (the suburb) is quite some distance from Sydney CBD, and is NOT in the local government area of the City of Sydney. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmore,_New_South_Wales
Here is a link to the City of Sydney Archives, free to search, and includes Assessment Books, Directories, photos, maps, etc http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives
Here is a 1903 map showing Riley Street and Belmore Park http://atlas.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/maps/city-of-sydney-1903/city-of-sydney-1903-single-sheet/
JM
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From the City of Sydney Assessment Books, for the then Cook Ward,
1911
John Edward STONE was at 46 Holborn St
1914
John Edward STONE was at 515 Riley St
http://atlas.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/council-boundaries/#boundaries-explained
JM
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Here's some info re that electorate of Belmore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_district_of_Belmore
It was originally in northern Surry Hills bounded by Elizabeth Street, Liverpool Street, Oxford Street, Riley Street and Foveaux Street
And NSW Governor Belmore
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/belmore-fourth-earl-of-2970
Parks named after him in Sydney and Goulburn testify to his popularity in New South Wales
May I note that NSW electoral rolls are in alphabetical order by surname, then given name of the elector. The roll does not confirm who is married to whom, or give details of children or other members of any household. So they are not set out like a UK 'census' document. It was not until the 1920s that it became compulsory to enrol. And to be eligible to enrol you needed to be a resident, aged 21 years and over and a British Subject.
NSW BDM has a marriage indexed for a John E STONE and a Mary A CORDER, but that was registered in 1905, in Sydney, and our OP has 1909 as the migration year. That NSW BDM marriage is reference #88/1905 and drills down to 21 December 1904. An official transcription of that registration should give first hand info from the groom about his origins, including details of his place of birth, his age, his occupation, his mum and dad (including dad's occupation), and help confirm or eliminate him as brother of your Thomas Russell STONE.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
JM
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Is it possible that after WW1 John Edward Stone decided to remain here?
Births Index shows 2 births in these names in Mar.qtr.1892 - one is the man concerned reg'd Bridge, Kent and the other in Barnsley, Yorks.
However, free search of 1939 register, shows 2 John E Stone' s born 1891 and consulting various records including death index both of these men appear to have been born in December 1891 - the Yorkshire man 30/12/1891.
The other John E Stone was born 19/12/1891 and in 1939 living in Chelmsford, Essex with a wife Ethel M. Death index shows she was an Ethel May. He died 1952 Chelmsford and she died 1974 Chelmsford.
These 2 men's births would be registered (if birth dates are correct) in Dec.1891 (if registered quickly) or, more likely, in Mar.qtr.1892. There are no John's with a second name beginning with 'E' in Dec.qtr.1891 and only 2 - both John Edwards - in Mar.1892.
So, is the man in Chelmsford born 19/12/1891 possibly your man having remained here after the War (since you cannot trace him in Australia after the war)?
However, I cannot find a marriage between a John E. Stone and an Ethel May in UK records.
In conclusion, if you can establish the actual birthdate of your John Edward Stone, this could confirm whether the man in Chelmsford is in fact him, or of course, rule him out completely.
Annette
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Thanks for the information about Belmore, JM.
I just threw that in because the person there was with a Mary Ann, so wondered if this could be completely ruled out, or was worth looking at in more detail.
I was awaiting any more information from kentstone.
But the exact date of birth from birth certificate looks like the way to go - though it frequently does do so.