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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: raysline on Tuesday 28 March 17 12:58 BST (UK)
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James Belcher, b. 1830/1831 married Mary _, b. 1832/1833.
Margaret Belcher, b. 1826, sister of James
James, Mary, and Margaret Belcher from Armagh arrived in Philadelphia 23 Oct 1851 on the Shackamaxon.
They were Protestant, assumed Presbyterian.
Can anyone find evidence of the Belcher family in Armagh? Thank you VERY much!
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welcome to rootschat raysline
There is a baptism in Eglish Co Armagh on Nov 08 1936 of a Margaret BELSHER
Father Alexander; Mother Isabella; Address TAMLAT
there are a few more as BELSHY and BELSHAW
name variants at that time are not unusual as literacy was an issue
At this time you are depending on church records as it is before civil records
This means without knowing a specific parish to look in, your search will be difficult
Also if they lived close to the border with another county the records could be in that county rather than in Armagh
The Griffiths Valuations shows a William BELCHER in Armagh (c1848) LINK (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=44&Submit.y=7&Submit=Submit&familyname=belcher&wildcard=on&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=ARMAGH&unionname=&parishname=)
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Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
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Ooh! This is very interesting! Thank you, hallmark!
How can I learn more? What is my next step?
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
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Thank you, myluck :)
Sometimes, it was spelled Belsher in US.
welcome to rootschat raysline
There is a baptism in Eglish Co Armagh on Nov 08 1936 of a Margaret BELSHER
Father Alexander; Mother Isabella; Address TAMLAT
there are a few more as BELSHY and BELSHAW
name variants at that time are not unusual as literacy was an issue
At this time you are depending on church records as it is before civil records
This means without knowing a specific parish to look in, your search will be difficult
Also if they lived close to the border with another county the records could be in that county rather than in Armagh
The Griffiths Valuations shows a William BELCHER in Armagh (c1848) LINK (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=44&Submit.y=7&Submit=Submit&familyname=belcher&wildcard=on&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=ARMAGH&unionname=&parishname=)
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Ooh! This is very interesting! Thank you, hallmark!
How can I learn more? What is my next step?
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
You can wait until Image comes online OR order a photocopy of the actual cert for €4.00.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
all info you need is on above records!!
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Wow. Thanks! I am really grateful! 🙂
Ooh! This is very interesting! Thank you, hallmark!
How can I learn more? What is my next step?
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
You can wait until Image comes online OR order a photocopy of the actual cert for €4.00.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
all info you need is on above records!!
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Are there Twiggs in Newtown/Newtownards?
A US census indicated Eliza Twigg, cousin, was living with James and Mary Belcher.
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only looked 1845 to 1850, but you can search
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
just put Surname and Year Range in and see if you spot anything....
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Civil Reg only started 1845 for non Catholic Marriages.....
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Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
Sorry to burst a bubble here - there are usually four couples on each page
In this case, the James BELCHER does not match with Mary KENNEDY
he married Sarah FINLAY LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNF-93N)
FTR
When you find a marriage reference you need to look for all possible spouses
There are usually four
If you find more than four women, it is usually because one is remarrying and all known names are recorded
It is unusually to find more than four male names - this is often mis-interpretation
Less names can happen if the whole page had not been completed
Many of the records are not online - where they are not just a match of references does not imply yu have the correct two parties, unfortunately >:(
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hahaha! Sigh 🙃
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
Sorry to burst a bubble here - there are usually four couples on each page
In this case, the James BELCHER does not match with Mary KENNEDY
he married Sarah FINLAY LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNF-93N)
FTR
When you find a marriage reference you need to look for all possible spouses
There are usually four
If you find more than four women, it is usually because one is remarrying and all known names are recorded
It is unusually to find more than four male names - this is often mis-interpretation
Less names can happen if the whole page had not been completed
Many of the records are not online - where they are not just a match of references does not imply yu have the correct two parties, unfortunately >:(
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I had many relatives that "went out" to relatives in Boston from Co. Galway
There was one man in Dorchester who was the "go to" person to get them started in the US in the 1940s and 1950s. He was always referred to as a "cousin" or "relative" by one side of the family but no-one was quite sure how. It took a long time to work out his connection to us but it turned out his mother was my great-great-grandmother's sister! Age differences, and longevity, had mixed up generations.
He died just ten years ago aged 102! I was thrilled to make the connection eventually and add him to our tree. It was an annotation on the back of a photograph that helped solve the puzzle! He was a lovely man.
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Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
Sorry to burst a bubble here - there are usually four couples on each page
In this case, the James BELCHER does not match with Mary KENNEDY
he married Sarah FINLAY LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNF-93N)
FTR
When you find a marriage reference you need to look for all possible spouses
There are usually four
If you find more than four women, it is usually because one is remarrying and all known names are recorded
It is unusually to find more than four male names - this is often mis-interpretation
Less names can happen if the whole page had not been completed
Many of the records are not online - where they are not just a match of references does not imply yu have the correct two parties, unfortunately >:(
Ordering the Cert for
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
will get you his details, who he married etc....
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Name James Belcher
Spouse's Name Sarah Finlay
Event Date 23 Oct 1848
wouldn't be recorded in the 1st quarter of 1848, months before the Marriage....
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Great job solving your connection! You give us all hope!
102. Incredible 🙂
I had many relatives that "went out" to relatives in Boston from Co. Galway
There was one man in Dorchester who was the "go to" person to get them started in the US in the 1940s and 1950s. He was always referred to as a "cousin" or "relative" by one side of the family but no-one was quite sure how. It took a long time to work out his connection to us but it turned out his mother was my great-great-grandmother's sister! Age differences, and longevity, had mixed up generations.
He died just ten years ago aged 102! I was thrilled to make the connection eventually and add him to our tree. It was an annotation on the back of a photograph that helped solve the puzzle! He was a lovely man.
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Oh my goodness...
Message me and I will reimburse you.
Mary Kennedy married Thomas Beatty in March.
Thank you! 🙂
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Marriage of MARY KENNEDY
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
Images not online yet!!
Sorry to burst a bubble here - there are usually four couples on each page
In this case, the James BELCHER does not match with Mary KENNEDY
he married Sarah FINLAY LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNF-93N)
FTR
When you find a marriage reference you need to look for all possible spouses
There are usually four
If you find more than four women, it is usually because one is remarrying and all known names are recorded
It is unusually to find more than four male names - this is often mis-interpretation
Less names can happen if the whole page had not been completed
Many of the records are not online - where they are not just a match of references does not imply yu have the correct two parties, unfortunately >:(
Ordering the Cert for
Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
will get you his details, who he married etc....
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As you can see... there is no Civil Registration for
Marriage results for Belcher from 1848 to 1849
Displaying results 1 - 8 of 8.
in any other quarter of the Year..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtc/
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Oh my goodness...
Message me and I will reimburse you.
Mary Kennedy married Thomas Beatty in March.
Thank you! 🙂
I didn't spend anything!! ;D
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Oh my goodness...
Message me and I will reimburse you.
Mary Kennedy married Thomas Beatty in March.
Thank you! 🙂
I didn't spend anything!! ;D
Sorry for not getting back earlier.
Without getting the Cert photocopy we don't know if he married Mary Kennedy or not!!
All you know is when he married. The copy will give her name, both their parents and addresses.
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both their fathers!!
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Sorry for not getting back earlier.
Without getting the Cert photocopy we don't know if he married Mary Kennedy or not!!
All you know is when he married. The copy will give her name, both their parents and addresses.
According to www.familysearch.org and www.findmypast.ie
James BELCHER (Father James BELCHER)
married Oct 23 1848
Sarah FINLAY (Father Robert FINLAY)
The other three couples listed on Civil Reference 1848 Q- V9 P5 are:
John Hanney GROGAN (Father Isaac GROGAN)
married Oct 31 1848
Mary Anne TEIR (Father William TEIR)
James LYONS (Father James LYONS)
married Oct 23 1848
Sarah HEWIT (Father Simon HEWIT)
John McCONNEL (Father James McCONNEL)
married Dec 14 1848
Mary KENNEDY (Father James KENNEDY)
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Sorry for not getting back earlier.
Without getting the Cert photocopy we don't know if he married Mary Kennedy or not!!
All you know is when he married. The copy will give her name, both their parents and addresses.
According to www.familysearch.org and www.findmypast.ie
James BELCHER (Father James BELCHER)
married Oct 23 1848
Sarah FINLAY (Father Robert FINLAY)
The other three couples listed on Civil Reference 1848 Q- V9 P5 are:
John Hanney GROGAN (Father Isaac GROGAN)
married Oct 31 1848
Mary Anne TEIR (Father William TEIR)
James LYONS (Father James LYONS)
married Oct 23 1848
Sarah HEWIT (Father Simon HEWIT)
John McCONNEL (Father James McCONNEL)
married Dec 14 1848
Mary KENNEDY (Father James KENNEDY)
Name James Belcher
Spouse's Name Sarah Finlay
Event Date 23 Oct 1848
wouldn't be recorded in the FIRST quarter of 1848, months before the Marriage ....!!!
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Marriage of JAMES BELCHER
in 1848
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownards
Returns Year 1848
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 9
Returns Page No 5
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1848 was the start of registration and had no quarters
some records show for the quarter
1 - nothing; or
2 - 1848; or
3 - 1 for the entire year
For 1848 there was no 2, 3 and 4
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GRONI clearly shows the marriage in their database-
M/1848/F1/2139/1/40 James Belcher (spouse- Finlay) 23rd Oct.1848, North Down district
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Thank you agahdowey
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Thank you very much, myluck!, hallmark, & agaghdowey. While I did not find our James Belcher, I did find hope and I found wonderful knowledgeable souls willing to help me! You did a great job! ❤