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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: TheNineteenth on Thursday 06 April 17 23:03 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has any pointers on where to take this next? What records have I failed to examine, etc? This is a piece on my Great Great Great Grandparents Pat Nevin and Honor Hogan.
Our first glimpse of our Galway Nevin ancestors comes in an 1834 Tithe Return showing one William “Navin” as farming 94 acres of land at the townland of Derryoober East in the Civil Parish of Ballynakill, County Galway. This was land worth £7 1s and comprised around 3% of the total land of both Derryoober East and West. Among his neighbours were Pat Ford Senior and Pat Ford Junior. Another Nevin – James – lived at Dooros and farmed 36 acres worth £36 7s 9d.
By the next document – the 1856 Griffiths evaluation, William Navin had presumably died, leaving the land – now worth £8 10s in the hands of, presumably, his son – Patrick Nevin. Patrick was around 28 years old at this time. We also see mention of a house on the land at this point too - of approximate value £2 5s. Pat Ford – presumably Junior! – remains a neighbour. All 477 acres of Derryoober East was owned by the Marquis of Clanricade at this point.
The next year, 1857, Pat Nevin had a child, Michael, with Maria Forde. Godparents were Maria’s family – Owen and Maria. We do not know if they were married. There is a sizable gap in Woodford marriage records between 1843 and 1851, but this doesn’t necessarily explain the lack of marriage record here.
In the couple of years following the birth, Maria disappears – presumably dies - and young Michael gains a step-mother in the form of Honora Hagan, who was born around 1829. Again, no marriage record survives. The only other ‘gap’ in records is from 1869-1871. Either way, the first surviving baptismal record of Pat and Honora’s children is that of Francis Nevin at Woodford in July 1859. Patrick Nevin and Honora Hogan are listed as his parents, and Ferdinand Nevin (a very unusual name!) and Bridget Hogan his godparents. His sister Maria Nevin follows in July 1861, with godparents Michael Kilroe and Bridget Roughan. Following this, there is a break in the extant Woodford baptisms until 1865 (and again in 1868-1869).
However, after this time their resumption, the Nevin baptisms stop being recorded in Woodford Parish or, indeed, anywhere at all! I have examined transcripts of Woodford baptismal registers of the 1860s but find no Nevins! That said, they continue to be noted in civil registration, which picks up the rest of the family’s births with Pat Nevin on 7th April 1864, who was born at Douras to Pat (listed as a labourer, who registered the birth two days later) and Honor. There could well be another child between the parish registers concluding in 1861 and civil registration picking up Pat in 1864 (it was only introduced that year). Anyway, next followed Julia on 17th November 1869 (again with Pat – still a labourer – registering, six days later), Martin in October 1871, Ferdy (not the longer ‘Ferdinand’) in May 1873, Ellen in May 1875 and finally Letitia in August 1877. Father Pat Nevin registers all births apart from the last two – the last is registered by Honor herself - and is listed as a labourer in each one, too (except for in 1871 when he is a ‘herd’). He also always records himself as ‘Pat’ rather than Patrick.
Pat will have died at some between between Letitia’s 1877 birth and her 1893 marriage, by which point he is listed as being deceased. The most likely records for Pat’s death are in January 1885 for a 70 year old married Patrick Nevin, labourer of Tynagh, Portumna. The coroner registered his death. The other possibility is the 50 year old married Patrick Nevin who died at Portumna Workhouse in January 1878. I think it unlikely that between 1877 and 1885, Pat would have ended up living 20km away from Dooros in Tynagh, and think it far more likely that he ended up in the local workhouse, especially as several of his children settle either in Portumna, or just across the border in Terryglass.
Honor Nevin appears to have outlived Pat by thirty years, dying on 16th November 1909 in Portumna Workhouse. She had been suffering from “chronic bronchitis” for two years. She was listed as the 80 year old widow of a labourer. Martin Donohue, the “occupier” of the workhouse was the informant, although he didn’t register the death for 43 days – on 29th December. Honor is likely to have been in Portumna workhouse in the 1901 census, but I have been unable to locate her there (as workhouse residents were identified solely by initials).
Any pointers as to where to go to examine Pat and Honor more thoroughly would be hugely welcome!
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I'm not answering you question, not sure if I can, but I just couldn't get past this line
"Derryoober East in the Civil Parish of Ballynakill Parish in Leitrim, Galway"
As Leitrim and Galway are two different counties I had to look this up, I think you have to make it clear it's Leitrim Barony, or just leave out the reference to Leitrim all together.
I would have it as in the townland of Derryoober East in the Civil Parish of Ballynakill, County Galway
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Thank you! Duly done...
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Sorry to correct, Leitrim is a townland near Loughrea west of Tynagh, north of Woodford on the R351.
I know it well when we travel around Ireland quite a lot.
fao TheNineteen,
If you log onto Mike Denver web site he sings a song called "Paddy" you will see the workhouse in the video, also Portumna Castle.
Maggsie
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Derryoober East is a townland in Ballynakill civil parish and Portumna Poor Law Union/Registration District. See here for location-
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/leitrim/ballynakill/drummin/derryoober-east/
There are lots of places called Leitrim in Ireland-
https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=leitrim
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Sorry to correct, Leitrim is a townland near Loughrea west of Tynagh, north of Woodford on the R351.
I know it well when we travel around Ireland quite a lot.
fao TheNineteen,
If you log onto Mike Denver web site he sings a song called "Paddy" you will see the workhouse in the video, also Portumna Castle.
Maggsie
The family don't live in a townland called Leitrim.
They live in a Barony called Leitrim in the townland of Derryoober East.
I knew the name Leitrim would confuse things which is why I suggested taking it out.
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It's the way records are released.
Some by townland, some by Parish and others by tax areas. Then a mixture of all.
I usually paste the names mentioned into search and have maybe 3 or 4 maps open and then look for the nearest town depending on the years as where the records would be registered.
Very complicated but great stuff!
Maggsie
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It's the way records are released.
Some by townland, some by Parish and others by tax areas. Then a mixture of all.
I usually paste the names mentioned into search and have maybe 3 or 4 maps open and then look for the nearest town depending on the years as where the records would be registered.
Very complicated but great stuff!
Maggsie
The poster clearly stated the townland was Derryoober East in the first post and gave us lots of additional details with everything clearly explained so a townland called Leitrim really doesn't come into it ::)
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Sorry to correct, Leitrim is a townland near Loughrea west of Tynagh, north of Woodford on the R351.
I know it well when we travel around Ireland quite a lot.
fao TheNineteen,
If you log onto Mike Denver web site he sings a song called "Paddy" you will see the workhouse in the video, also Portumna Castle.
Maggsie
I am too searching nevins from ballinakill I have the names Michael nevin who he married and his children I am very interested to see we are both searching the same people you seem to have a lot of research done some of the names you have are the same names I have so would be great to share more info you are correct the nevins ended up in portumna and terryglass and lorrha
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Hi Vera,
There are three Nevin families who were born in County Galway.
One in Firmount, Terryglass
another in Garryclohy, Terryglass. This a Michael Nevin (born 1856c in County Galway) married to Bridget.
another in Annagh, Kilbarron
If any of your Nevin's married a Quinn, then I will have more to tell you as they are related to me.
You need to have 3 replies before I can sent a Private message.
Maggsie
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Thanks for getting back to me the nevins im trying to trace is michael nevin garryclohy and firmount i have some information but would like more on michaels siblings i know they lived in terryglass and i think ended up maybe in lorrha possible burried there and any info on michaels children and who they married i know he had a daughter nora she had a son john in 1910 approx but she later married a timothy fox from portumna but the rest of the children im not sure any info would be great thanks
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Here's Nora Nevin's marriage in 1913-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09883/5590419.pdf
Edited to add:
Birth of Timothy Fox in 1914. MMN Nevin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01417/1582549.pdf
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Yes,
Michael and his family moved from Garryclohy to Kilfadda in the 1911 Census.
Kilregane is the place on the marriage of Nora but it's the same townland.
I will search the records for the children on Michael.
The family in Kilbarron are my link he was Frank, two of his sons married two sisters called Quinn.
I have most of them to present day.
Maggsie
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The two townlands are adjacent to eachother, but in different civil parishes.
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/lower-ormond/lorrha/lorrha-east/kilregane/
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/lower-ormond/aglishcloghane/aglishcloghane/kilfadda/
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Thanks maggie for that so do u think frank and michael were brothers
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Hi Vera,
I will have to check the marriages, I only have the family when they arrived in Tipperary.
Maggsie
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That would be great i have a date when michael nevin and a bridget hogan married in 1880 in terryglass his father patrick nevin was dead at that time i also found a julia nevin
.married a cornelius hynes in lorrha i think she mite be a sister to michael julia was born 1869 to a pat nevin and hanora hogan see what you think
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The Bridget Hogan.......father William......was she from Muckloonmodderee, Terryglass?
Stonepark on the marriage same area, it's Ballinderry.
I was out all day today, I will get on with this Wednesday.
Maggsie
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Bridget hogan was from stonepark but for the birth of their son michael they lived in macloon almost the same area that child died 1892 aftr 5 mths of pneomonia hope that is some help to you im still trying to put together michael nevins siblings i think im fairly sure that julia nevin married cornelius hynes in lorrha is our bloodline
So any mor info would be great
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.....i have a date when michael nevin and a bridget hogan married in 1880 in terryglass
Marriage 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11028/8032811.pdf
Michael Nevin living in the townland of.......Turavoggaun? Stonepark lies just to the west.
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/lower-ormond/terryglass/terryglass/turavoggaun/
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Thanks for that
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Thank you! Duly done...
I have found a margaret born 1866 and catherine 1867 to pat nevin and hanora hogan these nevins are the same nevins im tracing well michael born 1957 is the great great grandfather have you any more info on michaels siblings who they married or where they went any info would be great thanks
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Muckloonmodderee is Macloon or McLoon depending which record you are looking at.
Do you know of a Fergus John Navin?
Spelling in the 1901 Census was Vergus John Navin, Fergus Nevin in the 1911.
He was born in Galway lived in Tipperary in 1901 and went back to Galway in 1911, in between he married an Ann Newton.
Turavoggaun this at the cross road at Ballinderry. Muckloonmodderee is the next townland.
Just getting a spreadsheet ready for you.
Maggsie
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Thanks for that
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Hi Vera, Yes I would say they are brothers.
I have the spreadsheet with all the children and how I am linked to the family.
I will send a Private Message.
Maggsie
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I have a hunch there might be Nevins in my tree, and that I may be related to some of you. Do you happen to know if the family was RC or Protestant?
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Hi, They were Catholic.
Maggsie