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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Resources => Topic started by: higgypee on Friday 09 June 17 09:20 BST (UK)
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I am rather new to all of this, thanks for those who have replied already. I have added more information at the end of the post to show how far I have got. What I would like to be able to do is pinpoint his death and see if I have bought the right certificate. Then I want to see why and how the family dispersed.
Dear All, I have hit a dead end with my Great Grandfather, James Miller. In 1901 he was living with his wife, Catha(e)rine and their children, including my grandfather Anthony and twin 1 month old daughters, Rose and Lillie. In 1911 the whole family was dispersed and his wife was in the workhouse and Anthony was in another in Fazakerley. The twins died in 1901. Can anyone please help me to sort out this mess???? I bought the death certificate of a James Miller, but now I am not sure it is him. My GF joined the merchant navy when he was way underage, he lied about his age. Eventually he became a doorman at the Adelphi and committed suicide in 1958. A very troubled man, but hardly surprising given his start in life.
Marriage 15th November 1893 in All Hallows church Allerton, Liverpool. Age 31, living in West Derby, father James Miller (deceased) to Catherine Jones, living in Allerton, father John Jones (deceased)
1901 Census James Miller 41
Catherine Miller 37
Margaret Miller 6
Anthony Miller 4
Helen G Miller 3
Lily Miller 1/12
Rose Miller 1/12
1911 census Catherine Miller Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England, Marital Status: Widowed; Relation to Head of House: Inmate. I found the death of the twins, Rose Miller
Estimated Birth Year
abt 1901
Registration Year
1901
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death
0
Registration district
West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District
West Derby
Inferred County
Lancashire
Volume
8b
Page
387
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Dear All, I have hit a dead end with my Great Grandfather, James Miller.
What sort of information are you after, is it just his death :-\
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Hi
There was also another child
Helen Gladys Miller
Birth Date: 20 Apr 1899
Baptism Date: 12 Jun 1899
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England on 12th June 1899 in Liverpool
From familysearch
Helen Gladys Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Lancashire
Parish: West Derby
Sub-District: West Derby Western
Registration District: West Derby
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire
Record Type: Household
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I'm assuming this is the family in 1901 in Tweed St West Derby:
James Miller 41 Scotland
Catherine Miller 37 Oswestry, Salop
Margaret Miller 6 Liverpool
Anthony Miller 4 Liverpool
Helen G Miller 3 Liverpool
Lily Miller 0 Liverpool
Rose Miller 0 Liverpool
Looking at the births of the children, I think the mother's maiden name is JONES.
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A possible marriage for Helen in 1922 Toxteth to a Harry Bradley
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Marriage of James MILLER and Catharine JONES Dec qtr 1893 West Derby (8b/485)
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As posted earlier by higgypee
Marriage: 15 Nov 1893 All Hallows, Allerton, Lancashire, England
James Miller - 31, Butcher, Bachelor, West Derby
Catharine Jones - 28, Spinster, Allerton
Groom's Father: James Miller, deceased
Bride's Father: John Jones, deceased
Witness: David Scott; Mary Scott
Married by Banns by: N. F. Y. Kemble, M. A., Vicar
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Who are the informants on the death certificate that you bought?
When and where did that James Miller die?
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Hi higgypee, it's probably a good idea to post a reply as a new post rather than modifying your original post - just a bit easier to follow the thread (for me anyway!)
As heatherjulie asked, which death certificate have you bought? I see from FreeBMD there are a few possible matches for your James.
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I bought the death certificate of James Miller, aged 40 who was a dock labourer at 2H 1c Pritt Street who died 22nd April 1901.
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I forgot to say that he died in the workhouse (Liverpool) and the informant was the master of Liverpool workhouse
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Hi higgypee, it's probably a good idea to post a reply as a new post rather than modifying your original post - just a bit easier to follow the thread (for me anyway!)
;D ;D
When I first answered this thread the first post only consisted of 5 lines, adding extra information to it after I had replied makes my reply look daft ::) ;D
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An online tree suggests that the James Miller age 40 who died 1901 was husband of Sarah Jane Thomas :-\
ADDED I think he appears at Court House, 1 Birkett Street, Liverpool in 1901 occ Dock Labourer
RG13/3424 f86 p8 (By the following census Sarah Jane has remarried)
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Similar post on Scotland boards
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772992.
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Dear All, thanks for all the help. I have only been doing this for a week or so and have become obsessed, but not skilled. I thought I had to post on the Scotland board and the Liverpool board for help on the two ends of the puzzle. I will know better next time.
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I thought I had to post on the Scotland board and the Liverpool board for help on the two ends of the puzzle. I will know better next time.
Your post was fine, sorry if I gave the impression it was not. I replied on your other post as someone was after clarity on the 1901 death. The link I gave on here was just to indicate that you were looking at the same person in Scotland so we did not get carried away as we often do. It is a good idea if you are posting on two boards just to put a link to the other post.
It is true that we don't encourage posting the same thing on multiple boards as it often causes duplication of replies. This is when someone is just asking the same thing and probably not sure where the person is likely to be born/married etc in which case it is better to use general board and not the county boards. The mods can always move it if in the wrong place. ;D
We still have not found James Miller's death though :(