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Harold was supposedly born in Canada abt 1894. From familysearch he married Maud Chapman 1 Mar 1915 in London Ontario. The marriage cert shows no parents names. I can find no birth registration nor census info for 1901/11. I found him with Maud and child Harry in 1920 census living in Royal Oak Michigan. A search of OCFA and genweb shows possible burial in Woodland Cemetery, Waterloo, Ontario.
Can anyone find a lead re Harold where he may have come from and when he may have died?
Ed
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Hi Ed,
Wonder if this could be Harold (age slightly out) -
Harold Coleby
Age - 11
Birth Date - abt 1896
Departure Date - 12 Sep 1907
Port of Departure - Liverpool, England
Destination Port - Quebec, Canada
Ship Name -
Dominion
As the immigration page records just children perhaps he was part of the scheme - British Home Children.
Sending Organization - Barnardo's
http://www.britishhomechildrenregistry.com/Person/bhcInfo/3498
JJ
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Thanks. That could be him. When searching for burials the OCFA site shows only 3 Coleby headstones in Ontario so a pretty rare family name.
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Freebmd search 1890-1900 shows 2 Harold Coleby birth registrations in England . Both in 1897
Ed
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www.gro.gov.uk Harold Coleby 1897 Brighton mothers maiden name Markwick
Harold Lingwood Coleby 1897 Croydon mothers maiden name Neate
Rosie
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1901 for Brighton Coleby family -
George Coleby 39
Elizabeth Coleby 37
Elizabeth Coleby 21
Ada Coleby 8
Charley Coleby 6
Harold Coleby 3
Alfred Coleby 2
RG13 Piece: 926 Folio 70 Page 50
Elizabeth (mother) death -
Elizabeth Coleby
q4 1905, Brighton
Age at Death - 41
Vol 2b Page 123
JJ
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I contacted Woodland Cemetery and their records show that Maude was buried 6 Dec 1971. Unfortunately no date of death nor funeral home name recorded. Also there is no burial record for Harold.
Headstone shows date of birth for both Maud and Harold as 1897 which is correct for Maud. Also records a marriage date of 10 Mar 1914 which is incorrect.
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The Harold Lingwood Coleby died 1975 Tonbridge Kent so can rule that one out
Harold Coleby birthdate 13May 1897 Brighton
Us Social Security Claims index Nov 1961
Father George Coleby
Mother Elizabeth Markham
Rosie
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Found an obit for Harold with spouse Maude in 5 Mar 1975 edition of the Windsor Star. Is anyone able to look it up please?
Edit - I remembered an earlier post and was able to find the obit. Pg 62
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Harold died 4 Mar 1975 in Windsor and was buried 7 Mar 1975 Victoria Memorial Park. Would like to trace children if possible. Mrs James Snowden(Irene) of Riverside California, Mrs Joseph Carvelho(?)(Marie) of Kitchener Ontario, Mrs Steve Ustation(?)(Velma) of Rialto California, Harold Jr(Marjorie) of Dunchurch Ontario and George Coleby (deceased) of California.
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Possible son - George L Coleby 15 Oct 1927 Canada - 25 Apr 1973 Orange Co, California
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Irene M Snowden 21 Jun 1921 - 17 Jan 1999 San Bernardino, California
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There are only 5 listings for Coleby in the telephone directory. Some (or all) may be related.
http://www.canada411.ca
Just enter the last name and put Ontario for the location.
PB
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Thanks PB
The 1920 US census shows Harold and Maud with son Harry living in Royal Oak Michigan. Harry is shown as being born in Canada in 1919 and immigrating in 1919. However I have found a death cert on the seekingmichigan site for a Madelen Coleby born 14 Jun 1919 Michigan and died 11 Nov 1919 Royal Oak with parents Harold and Maud Also there is an immigration date for of 8 Jun 1919 Detroit for Harold and Maud. If Harry was born in 1919 then he must be a twin to Madelen. If Madelen date of birth is correct then Harry was not born in Canada.
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Possible son - George L Coleby 15 Oct 1927 Canada - 25 Apr 1973 Orange Co, California
Border crossings from Canada to USA
George Leonard Coleby age 22 occupation painter last address 214,Sackville Avenue Toronto Canada
Birth date 15 Oct 1927 going to Los Angeles California ..Permanent Resident
Father Harold Coleby ..Windsor Ontario
Arrival date28/4/1950 Buffalo New York
Rosie
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Border crossing for Velma Juanita Ustation age 20 occupation clerk address 1,Indian Grove Toronto
Date of birth 10 June 1931 Thamsville Ontario
Father Harold Coleby ..Windsor Ontario
Going to 409--4th St Victorville California
Arrival date 23 /3/1952 Detroit Michigan along with her husband Steve Peter Ustation
Looks like this couple divorced March 1974 San Bernardino California
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie. Excellent. Much appreciated
Ed
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Velma Juanita Burns passed away 2014
https://www.peoplesmart.com/find/name/velma-burns
Marriage License - Redland Daily Facts - Monday, June 16, 1975
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/15113922/
Sandra
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Velma married Donald Gene Burns 24 May 1975 in Clark County Nevada.
PB
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Thanks Sandra and PB
Found that Harold John Coleby died 11 Nov 2003 at Royal Victoria Hospital in Barrie Ontario and was buried 14 Nov in St Paul's Cemetery in Innisfil. His wife Marjorie Ida nee Jarvis born 6 Sep 1924 England died 18 Nov 2010 Trenton Ontario. Harold dob from death cert gives his birth as 6 Jul 1924. Don't know what to make of that.
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Harold John Coleby - "brother of Velma" ???
http://www.ourstoriesinnisfil.ca/islandora/object/ourstories%3A1?page=12&display=list
Husband of Velma is probably still living - born 6 September 1935.
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Donald-G-Burns/Yucaipa-California
Sandra
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First that I have seen Geraldine mentioned as a sister and no mention of George, Marie or Madelene.
Ed
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About young Harold and Madilen.....
Harold was down as 1 year old when he crossed the border with Harold Sr and Maud 08 June 1919. Madilen was born 6 days after they arrived in Michigan 14 Jun 1919 and died nearly 5 months later. Young Harry should perhaps have been down as 2 in the 1920 census. His birthplace is given as London Ontario in the border crossing manifest.
PB
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Thanks PB
A 1918 dob is even farther out with his death cert age of 79 yrs and headstone inscription of 6 Jul 1924. At first I thought that harry had died and Harold John was named after him but could not find a death cert in either Ontario or Michigan. Puzzled why the large discrepancy
Ed
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Harry Coleby age 3 crossed the border from Detroit to Windsor 30 Dec 1921 on his way to Bothwell Ont to join his father Harold. His birthplace is listed as London. So birth year 1918ish.
Also found so far, a record for the same date for his sister Irene age 7 months. This ties in with her birthdate of 21 Jun 1921 as seen in other records; birthplace Michigan. She would not quite be a full 7 months at this point but older than 6 months by dates.
Assume they would be travelling with their mother but I don't see a record for her at the moment.
It is certainly odd that Harold John's dates should be so different. 1918 Ontario births will soon be available.
PB
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Thanks again PB.
Unfortunately a hold has been put on the release of the 1918 birth records and they will not be available until 2023.
Ed
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Irene Maude Snowden - Irene M Snowden - Irene Maude Coleby
21 June 1921 Royal Oak Michigan passed away 178 January 1999
Harold Coleby Mother: Maude Chatman as transcribed)
Sandra
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Goodness, I didn't know that about the birth records. What a bother.
Harold indicated he was a soldier on his marriage cert. This is the only CEF record for a Harold Coleby. The entire file has been digitized. It is quite lenghthy and VERY slow to load. It is an interesting read. If I remember correctly, his evenual wife moves to the same London address as given by one of the witnesses at his marriage, Gertrude. So it looks like this is 'your' Harold?
Added: Harold gives a birthplace of Brighton England which might tie in with some records mentioned earlier. Perhaps an exaggeration of his age in order to sign up?
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=109103
Anyway, food for thought....
PB
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FIND A GRAVE - Irene M Snowden
Burial: Montecito Memorial Park Colton San Bernardino County California.
Plot: (Northeast corner starts row 1), Magnolia lot, mid-lot, twelfth row, about one hundred and twenty-nine spaces down from the Iris side of the Magnolia lot)
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39295738&ref=acom
husband James G. Snowden 1916 - 2004
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39295703
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Irene-M-Snowden/17726268#/
Sandra
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Maude Irene Coleby Snowden - Detroit Border Crossing - last permanent address London Ontario -
Husband James Garfield Snowden - Victorville California - mother Maude Coleby 159 Palmer Avenue Kitchener Ontario.
Sandra
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Just to fill in a little George Leonard Coleby married Omah Louise Sturm 31 October 1970 - Las Vegas -
Omah L Baird had previously married Von D Sturm and divorced in June 1967
Omah Coleby remarried 21 October 1978 - Roger Mendenhall (born 23 March 1932 deceased 2 September 2009)
Omah Louise Mendenhall 16 July 1935 passed away 8 November 2005 Huntington Beach, Orange, California.
George L Coleby had divorced from Juliette T LabrecqueMay 1969 Orange.
Appeared on Canada Voters List 1958 - George Leonard Coleby 7104 Dwight Way San Bernadino.
His wife Juanita Theresa is also mentioned.
FIND A GRAVE for George Coleby
Burial: Fairhaven Memorial Park Santa Ana Orange County California.
Plot: Lawn A, 6th row from North edge
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=165024792&ref=acom
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra
Ed
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Goodness, I didn't know that about the birth records. What a bother.
Harold indicated he was a soldier on his marriage cert. This is the only CEF record for a Harold Coleby. The entire file has been digitized. It is quite lenghthy and VERY slow to load. It is an interesting read. If I remember correctly, his evenual wife moves to the same London address as given by one of the witnesses at his marriage, Gertrude. So it looks like this is 'your' Harold?
Added: Harold gives a birthplace of Brighton England which might tie in with some records mentioned earlier. Perhaps an exaggeration of his age in order to sign up?
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=109103
Anyway, food for thought....
PB
I also read through this PB and like you would say this looks like the same Harold gives his birth date as 2 November 1893 Brighton England ..His wife as you said at 713 Elias St London ..there is also a mention of a Mrs N O'Neil Tunbridge Wells Kent next of kin
Rosie
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Harold seems to have had a few medical problems in addition to twice being wounded. References to Bothwell Ontario which is where his wife was born and living in 1901 is just west of London. Probably lied about his age in order to enlist. Problem with Harold that the birth to death info collected is that he can not decided about where and when he was born.
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Border Crossing Canada to the USA - Leonard Edward Coleby born 7 January 1949 Ottawa - last permanent address 214 Sackville Street Toronto. Names Grandmother Maud Coleby address same as above. Pasage paid by father - going to Los Angeles. Accompanied by parents
23 - 4 - 1952 Border Crossing Canada to USA - Parents were Theresa Juanita Coleby aged 25 years - born 12 February 1927 Ottawa. Father Oliver Labrecque- Purpose was visit.
Sandra
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Lenard Edward Coleby 7 January 1949 - passed away 15 February 2009 Newport Beach, Orange, California.
Lenard was married a few times.
Listed on Daily Times Obituary Index -
Lenard Coleby - 60 years - Ottawa ON>NE; KeithCoNews; 2009-2-23; sjq
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=COLEBY%2C%20Lenard&type=Keyword
Sandra
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Thanks. Have been looking for Juliette and Harry Emerson. Juliette appears to be born 12 Feb 1927 Ottawa and Harry 30 Sep 1921 Los Angeles. Both living 2007 Costa Mesa but can not find deaths.
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Which probably means they are both still living - both a very good age.
Sandra
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Looking at the Coleby family in Brighton - 2 of the girls did not marry any one of the name O'Neil which is the name given to next of kin on attestation papers of Harold Coleby.
There was an Ada Coleby aged 24 years - could be the one who went to USA on the St Louis - 8 July 1916 ??? Didn't see a UK marriage for her. ???
Elizabeth married Ernest Frank Pullinger and passed away March 1944 - Cuckfield Sussex - 2b222 - 64 years.
Rose Ena married William James Till and passed away 4 June 1947. Probate 15 August 1947.
Sandra
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Have been looking for Marie Coleby with no success. The 1975 obit for Harold Sr shows her as Marie and Joseph Carvelho of Kitchener. The 1999 obit for sister Irene Snowden shows her as Marie Carvello and the 2003 obit for Harold Jr mentions her as sister Marie. A search of OCFA shows no burials in Ontario for Carvello/Carvelho but does show Carvalho in the Kitchener area. I contacted all cemeteries in Kitchener/Waterloo but no burials for Marie/Joseph. There should be a record of some sort for Marie and Joseph but I am not finding it.
Ed
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Have you checked this one out - Joe Carvelho born 1932 - passed away January 2010 ???
http://www.570news.com/2010/01/04/kitchener-man-dead-following-crash/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra
Will have another go at Kitchener cemeteries. Thought also crossed my mind that if Marie was last child born she could still be alive.
Ed
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Have you checked this one out - Joe Carvelho born 1932 - passed away January 2010 ???
http://www.570news.com/2010/01/04/kitchener-man-dead-following-crash/
Sandra
Not the right one. This one name Jose with wife Maria nee Morgado
Ed
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Food for thought:
From the US Social Security and Claims Index....
Harold Coleby
Born in Brighton England 13 May 1897.
Father George Coleby
Mother Elizabeth Markham.....Markham almost matches the mmn Markwick given for all the cildren born to George and Elizabeth in Brighton; a guess on someone's part or a mistranscription perhaps?
Type of claim...original SSN
There are a Joseph and Maria Carvalho in Brampton in the 1968 voter's list. Wonder if this is your couple?
Carvalho seems to be the spelling used in the phone directory.
PB