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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Lisa in California on Thursday 22 June 17 21:31 BST (UK)
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Hello:
I don't believe I've asked this question before (I've been researching for many years). ;)
An ancestor is shown in the Index of Wills and Administrations - she died in 1864 and according to the paragraph under her name "The Will...was proved at the Principal Registry...".
Is there somewhere that I may order her will, please? Thank you in advance for any suggestions, Lisa
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Have you look to see if the will is here?
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
If so you can order it to be downloaded.
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She is mentioned on the site you suggested. I haven't quite figured out how to order it, but I've only just started reading. ;)
Thank you very much for your help, groom.
Actually, I now have one other question, please? Would you or anyone else know what could be contained in a will from that time, please? My ancestor (her son) was in Canada by 1864, her husband passed away a few years prior, and I know a bit about her other children - perhaps there might be a chance that her siblings might be mentioned?
Thank you again, groom - I probably would not have stumbled upon the site on my own. ;)
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Can you tell me her name so I can see what it says on the site?
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Martha Mumford, died January 10, 1864. She lived/worked at the Queen's Head Inn in Fyfield.
Thank you so much.
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groom - I did find a thread about the Mumford family. :-[ It was from 2013 and a link was mentioned at that time but I never ordered the will.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=640956.0
Before posting this thread, I did search to see if I had asked before, but I only searched for Index of Wills, not for Martha Mumford.
I apologize for asking again.
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Looking at that site, she did make a will, but it is really pot luck how much information it contains. Unless she left anything to her siblings I doubt if they will be mentioned.
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Thank you very much for your time and for looking. I will search the site to see if I can find any other ancestors - if so, I will order Martha's will. I possibly may anyway, just to have it.
As well as now writing down the site you mentioned so I have it for future reference, my previous post contains information that I had forgotten, including a connection between William Mumford (Martha's son) and Charles Bretton. A James Mumford (not my ancestor) and a Charles Bretton were supposedly "witnesses" (they arrived on the scene after the police were called) to a murder in England. I will try to research this connection a bit more.
Thank you so much, groom.
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According to the Fyfield Registers (St Nicholas) Martha Mumford was buried 11 January 1864 age 66
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Hi amondg:
May I ask please if St Nicholas might be a church in Fyfield, or a district? I don't believe I know where Martha was buried, but I will have to check my records, I could be incorrect.
Thank you very much for your interest and help. Lisa
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St Nicholas is the Church in Fyfield, the entry I posted is for her burial there.
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James Mumford age 46 was also buried at Fyfield on 30 August 1846.
Ref parish register of St Nicholas Fyfield Essex held at Essex Record Office
His death was reported in the Essex Standard dated 28 August 1846, he was of the Queens Head Inn Fyfield and died on the 25th of August 1846.
Ref: Find my Past, scanned newspapers that are on file.
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If you search Essex Pub History, you will find pictures of the Queens Head in Fyfield
built in the 15th century as of 2000 last picture taken its still a working pub.
List of those who ran the pub, same website
1845 James Mumford
1848 Martha Mumford (took over when her husband died) White's Directory
1851 Census, Martha Mumford
1855 Martha Mumford, Kelly's Directory
1862 Martha Mumford, Kelly's Directory
Martha dies 1864 and by 1867 its being run by William J Wilkinson.
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James Mumford died 1846 also left a will written 21 March 1846, his wife Martha and Simon Mumford, miller of Hatfield Broad Oak are the executors.
Probate was 25 August 1846, will proved 3 October 1846.
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Children of James and Martha Mumford all born Hatfield Broad Oak
James Mumford married Martha Grange by license 21 May 1822 St Mary the Virgin Church Hatfield Broad Oak, both were single and of the parish.
Witness ? E Mumford, William Patmore, John Porter.
Matilda Ann baptized 6 April 1823
Martha bap 26 September 1824
Mary Ann bap 30 October 1825
James bap 16 January 1827
Thomas bap 15 April 1828 (born 4 December 1827)
Sarah bap 2 May 1830 (born 27 November 1829)
Louisa bap 17 April 1831
William bap 19 January 1834.
ADDED on all baptism of above children James Mumford is a butcher
Joseph GRANGE and wife Sarah, Hatfield Broad Oak
Louisa bap 9 March 1795 (born 10 February 1795 privately)
**Martha bap 25 October 1797
Peter bap 16 September 1801 buried 1 March 1804
Elizabeth bap 3 December 1804
William bap 1 March 1808 (born 2 February 1808)
The only family by the name GRANGE having children in the village at the time.
So Martha who married James Mumford is the daughter of Joseph and Sarah Grange.
Further proof.
Wills at Essex Record Office Ref D/ABW 129/2/81
Joseph Grange, miller of Hatfield Broad Oak wrote his will 7 October 1831 proved 14 September 1832, states he died November last (1831)
Left everything to his wife Sarah, his names his two sons in law James Mumford and William Patmore as executors.
(William Patmore also witness to marriage of James and Martha Mumford)
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Joseph Grange age 74 was buried 18 November 1831 abode Hatfield Mill.
From Parish register Hatfield Broad Oak
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Parish register Hatfield Broad Oak
William Patmore married Elizabeth Grange by license 27 January 1824
witness John Porter, Susannah Patmore, Stephen Gran ?
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Do you have an ancestor James Mumford who was a hay and straw dealer in London in the 1890's?
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Hi Lisajj: My direct ancestor (James Mumford, born 1826) left England in 1857. I haven't spent too much time researching his relatives so it is possible "your" James could be my James' distant relative. My Mumfords were in the Great Dunmow/Hatfield Broad Oak and then Fyfield areas from c1740s to ??. I believe my Mumfords were millers and butchers. Of course James is a common name, but James is a name that was handed down several generations in the Mumford family. Do you have a Mumford thread on RootsChat? If so, I could have a look and see if I can be of any help with your research.
amondg: Thank you so much for all of your research! Some of the details I had already found (through ordering records), but I don't believe I knew where James and Martha were buried - it means a lot to me to know their final resting place.
I've been researching on and off since I was in college, which literally was decades ago. It is time to make sure that everything that I've found and has been found by others is accurately recorded on my generation chart.
A few years ago I did stumble upon the Queen's Head photos and information, which I found fascinating. I feel that part of the joy in researching is learning about the neighbourhoods, the structures and every day life that my ancestors experienced.
I actually do have a copy of James Mumford's (born 1800) and Joseph Grange's wills, but while I am thrilled to have the wills, nothing was mentioned about my James who left England (I was hoping that he would be included in his father's will).
I didn't realize that butcher was noted in all of the baptism records for James and Martha Mumford - that is very helpful to know. I didn't know Joseph Grange's "abode" was Hatfield Mill - again, that's wonderful to find out. There are probably other things that I didn't know prior to your findings, but the above were items that clearly stood out. Note: Over the years we have found other bits of information about the Mumfords and a bit about Joseph Grange and his wife Sarah Knight and two of the Grange daughters - I'm mentioning this so that it is known that we have found some facts in the past. ;) :)
amondg, thank you so much for your time, trouble and finding facts; it is really appreciated. Lisa
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Oh James Mumford isn't my relative - my husbands great grandfather testified against him at the Old Bailey and was employed by him!
It's just quite interesting, that's all 😀