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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Shiny1 on Wednesday 28 June 17 14:52 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I've been trying to find a marriage between Mathew Beck (born 1842 in Wallsend) and Margaret Struthers (born 1847 in Linlithgow, Scotland) but can't find any trace of one. Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Michael
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If the marriage is not traceable in English records, have you looked at ScotlandsPeople?
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When do you first have them on census as married
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The eldest child with them in 1881 is George Beck aged 6 (birth reg Dec qtr 1874 Tynemouth, mmn Struthers).
Was he their firstborn, to your knowledge?
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As avm suggests, they married in Scotland, Linlithgow, in 1874.
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Wow!
That was so quick I couldn't even answer questions. Thank you all.
The 1881 census is the first one I have seen them on, I haven't got access to Scotland's people so no, and yes George is their eldest of 8 children (and also my great grandfather).
I did spot a Matthew Beck on the 1871 census in Scotland as a lodger but can only guess that it may be him.
Jen B where did you find that information? (Just so I know where to look next time).
Thanks again everyone,
Michael
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Jen B where did you find that information? (Just so I know where to look next time).
Scotland's People (as suggested by avm228 in reply #1) I did a free search :)
I haven't got access to Scotland's people
Scotland's People is a pay-per-view site, so anyone can have access to it :) It isn't a subscription site like Ancestry or FindMyPast.
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Brilliant, I've just signed up and seen it as well.
I thought you couldn't use that site unless you had credits, thanks a lot.
Michael
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I thought you couldn't use that site unless you had credits, thanks a lot.
You will have to buy credits to see the full certificate :)
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/our-charges
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Just a little interesting fact;
Margarets Brother James;
Name James STRUTHERS
Death 7 March 1927, Oak Park, Cook, Illinois, Burial 8 March 1927
Occp Tailor
Birth 31 May 1857, Linlithgow, Scotland
Mother Agnes GROZIER, another record has Frazier
Father James STRUTHERS
Wife MARGARET Struthers
Residence Place 1174 1/2 So Oak Park Avenue
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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I still have a shed load of credits sitting on there, so looked at the record as if you haven't seen a Scottish one you are going to be really happy with the info it gives :-)
30th June 1874, at Linlithgow, after banns according to the forms of the Church of Scotland
Groom:
Matthew Beck, Joiner, single (he signed) , age 32, usual residence Wallsend, England. Father George Beck, Hind, deceased. Mother Margaret Beck, Maiden Surname Horsley(?? not too clear, you'd need to check that out)
Bride:
Margaret Struthers, Domestic Servant, single, age 27, usual residence Denistoun, Glasgow. Father James Struthers, Shoemaker, Mother Agnes Struthers, Maiden Surname Grozier
Witnesses were
Robert Muir and Dora Struthers (both signed)
Register was signed by T.B. W Niven, Minister of Linlithgow on 1st July 1874
Registrar was Alex Murray
Boo
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and you may find this of interest too:
Linlithgowshire Gazette
08 September 1950
The descendants of John GROZIER and Mrs Margaret ALEXANDER or GROZIER who are believed to have lived in the Linlithgow district about one hundred years ago are beneficiaries in an estate. It is believed that Mr and Mrs Grozier had six children, a daughter who became Mrs Agnes STRUTHERS, who had nine children, a daughter Isabella, who became Mrs NIMMO, who had ten children, a son John and other three daughters believed to be named Margaret, Anne and Mary. WIll anyone who claims to be a descendant of Mrs Struthers or the said Jon or the said duaghters Margaret, Anne or Mary please communicate with and send full particulars to :-
GRAY, MURIHEAD & CARMICHAEL
W.S.
(for Pothecary & Barratt, Solicitors, 73-76 King William Street, London)
33 York Place, Edinburgh
Probably a tad late to stake claim :-) but it gives some interesting family detail to be checked out.
NB re: The Mrs Margaret Alexander or Grozier part - Alexander is likely to have been her maiden name as historically married women in Scotland were often known and referred to by their birth name rather than their husbands name.
Now you have discovered the free search on Scotlands People have a look and see if you can find the marriage. Its likely to be in the old parish registers as civil registration didn't start in Scotland till 1855.
Boo
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This is all fantastic, thank you all very much.
I haven't looked at Margaret's family yet as the Beck side is my line, I haven't really ventured into any Scottish records either so I have a lot of new ground to cover here.
That's for the start help Trish, that will give me a good start into building / confirming her side.
Thank you all once again.
Michael
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Baptism of Matthew BECK Wallsend 1841 son of George & Margaret, abode Willington NBL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XX69-5NY?i=242&wc=9K5Q-VZ9%3A13617901%2C31548401%2C31622101&cc=1309819
Can't see a birth reg for him. Brother John reg in 1838, mmn HORSLEY
1841 census Willington stables - George 45-49, Margaret 45-49, William 15-19, Thomas 10 , John 3, Mary 15-19 , Margaret 7. George not born in County - all others born NBL
1851 census Matthew with parents George 1793 Fatfield DUR & Margaret All Saints NCL 1795, siblings John & Margaret.
1861 Margaret a widow, born about 1795 Wallsend - on familysearch as BEEK , with Matthew.
Burial George BECK 1856 Wallsend
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XX69-5P3?i=716&wc=9K5Q-VZ9%3A13617901%2C31548401%2C31622101&cc=1309819
Marriage George BECK + Margaret HORSLEY 13 July 1817 Wallsend NBL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6L2H-9ZF?i=115&wc=9K5S-L2S%3A13617901%2C31548401%2C31548402&cc=1309819
George could be son of George & Ann BECK of Fatfield chr Chester-le-Street DUR 30 Sept 1792
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SHW-86S?i=263&wc=9K59-6TG%3A13618101%2C16337901%2C16337902&cc=1309819
Did he firstly marry Rebecca Price in 1814 at Chester -le-Street?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SHW-3WK?i=888&wc=9K59-6TG%3A13618101%2C16337901%2C16337902&cc=1309819
There was a daughter, Isabella, born 1861 according to Durham records online
Rebecca must have died before July 1817 if so.
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Thank you so much for all of that Fiddlerslass, not only for the information you have listed but also because I had no idea those books were available on line. I have seen some of them on microfilm at the library but that's much easier for me if I can search them on line.
I have used that website but just as a marriage search really, there is obviously an awful lot more information on there than I know about.
I don't know about Rebecca Price, George Beck and Ann Carson was all I knew and all I had for them was names and a year of birth. That is as far back as I've managed to get.
The rest of the names you have linked to do match the people I've found already but again you have added detail to the names I have recorded.
Thank you so much for all of your help, I really appreciate it.
Michael
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Thank you so much for all of that Fiddlerslass, not only for the information you have listed but also because I had no idea those books were available on line. I have seen some of them on microfilm at the library but that's much easier for me if I can search them on line.
The links fidderslass has given are to the Durham Bishops Transcripts.
Just a couple of words of warning :)
They are not searchable by keyword. You must trawl through them page by page to find what you want.
Not all parishes are covered, and dates of coverage differ.
You will find very few marriages on them post-1837 (i.e. after the start of Civil Registration).
However, they are still a fantastic resources despite limitations.
Bear in mind that the Diocese of Durham included much of Northumberland until the 1880's, so they don't just cover County Durham :D
Durham parishes http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kb7/
Northumberland parishes http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kb8/
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Correction,
Isabella Beck bapt 1816.
Looking at Lanchester PR's at the children of George & Ann, 2 baptisms give her as dau of John CARSON of Chester-le-Street, and 1 of John of Fifeshire Scotland. George & Ann could also be the parents of Jane 1796, & Thomas 1798 chr Washington DUR. Thomas baptism gives George & Ann as natives of Lanchester.
Marriage bond Nov 28th 1789 image not available on familysearch, but from calendar George BECK - Ann CARSON married by Licence Kirk Merrington DUR. Assume the John Carson mentioned was a bondsman. Age 21 means they could be 21 or over.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DH72-69?i=359&wc=MLVD-T36%3A165410701%2C165410702%2C165412401&cc=1840743
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FreeREG is also a great free in-line resource for Northumberland and Durham.
George/Margarets Childrens Baptism are there + their Marriage with Witnesses.
George Burial is there and Margarets 1867 age 74
(they also buried a Son THOMAS 1830 age 6)
Marriage;
29 Nov 1789, St John the Evangelist, Merrington, Durham
George BECK to Ann CARSON
Other Children of GEORGE/ANN on FreeREG also, Eg;
MATTHEW Beck Bapt 25 Sept 1803, All Saints, Lancaster, Durham
Parents GEORGE/ANN
Fathers Occp Hind
Abode Westhouse
5th Son*****. Father native of this Parish and mother Ann, daughter of JOHN Carson,
native of Chester le Street.
+ JOHN 1800 same Church 3rd Son
+ ANN 1802 3rd Daug same Church
Trish :)
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Sorry fiddlerslass to repeat some of your info but had already typed it up!