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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Antdamm on Wednesday 02 August 17 17:11 BST (UK)
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Hello
I located an ancestor, and upon finding his death cert, I cannot decipher the maiden name of his mother. I am hoping someone will be able to help me out?! I can see it starts with a D, but past that I am stuck :(
Much appreciated :)
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Danes?
Where does the record come from and what year is this? I'm assuming the deceased surname is McKeilly. Is that right?
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Dane? Danes if that stray squiggle is an s?
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Not that it helps with mother Helen's maiden name, but I think the family surname is McNeilly.
Is this for a William or John who died aged 55? Have you tried checking the marriage cert (if married post 1855)?
Monica
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Thanks for the responses :)
The cert is from 1876 in Lanark, Scotland
Family name is McNeilly
Haven't managed to locate the marriage cert for the parents listed...
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Hey Monica
How did you know there was a William?
Guess?
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I checked SP for the death of a male aged 55 with surname McNeilly ;D Could only be a William or a John!
Why not contact SP and request an enhanced scan. They are very quick to respond to requests like these and the new scan of the image often makes a huge difference in respect of legibility.
Monica
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I'm opting for Danes too, though upon second glance, I wondered if it may be supposed to be Davies. :-\
I agree with Monica that you should request a clearer copy from SP.
Alternatively downloading a birth, marriage or death certificate of one of his siblings might be a quick way to clarify MMN.
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I think we have Irish roots for this line which will make things as always so much harder... From what I can see, the deceased, William, had a daughter Margaret married in Dennistoun area of Glasgow in the 1870s and showing in later censuses as born c. 1855 in Ireland.
Ruskie, I thought the maiden name might be Davis too...but the letters disappear to the end.
Monica
Added: Did see this Irish entry https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5PJ-5HS ....but doesn't help without the mother's maiden name being included!
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With a surname like McNeilly I thought Irish too.
Have you checked the Scottish censuses to see if any of the family are from "Ireland"?
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Hi all
Thanks for your responses once again.
The death cert is for William McNeilly born c.1821 married a Helen McIntyre born c.1829 presumably both from Ireland.
Can't find a marriage cert for them. William is listed as a general labourer on his death cert, so finding him on a census has been fun! Fruitless, but fun.
I will have another go.
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Wondering if this could be one child for William and Helen https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQNN-XLH It is the only one showing for this couple so if them maybe just over from Ireland. The birth cert should show date and place of parents' marriage so some clues always on possible Irish origins.
Also, if them, they should show on the 1871 census you would think...but hard to see them.
Monica
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I think this is the family in 1871, mistranscribed by a/try (haven't checked on SP to see how it shows there). Everyone showing as born in Ireland except youngest John:
William Mckell 40 Mason's Lab
Ellen Mckell 40
Mary Mckell 17 Linen Weaver
Margaret Mckell 15 Linen Spinner
George Mckell 13
Sarah Mckell 11
William Mckell 9
John W Mckell 2 b Glasgow
Address: 181 Garngadhill, Glasgow/High Church...is the address on William and wife Helen's death regs (from an a/try family tree).
Monica
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Monica you are amazing!!!
I need to buy more SP credits!!
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All roads in Scotland always lead to SP units ;)
Monica
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One other child in case you miss her... :-\
There is a death on SP index for a four year old Martha MCNEILLAY in High Church/Glasgow. Mother's maiden name McIntyre. Death is in 1870 so she missed the 1871 census.
Monica
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So, I have managed to track down a birth cert for William McNeilly's youngest child - listed the marriage date between William McNeilly and Ellen McIntyre as 7 June 1844 in Killybegs, County Donegal. Cannot for the life of me see where to locate a marriage cert for this????
It has been a while since I have been doing my family tree. A recent DNA test through a/try sparked a new interest!!