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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: RHamper on Monday 07 August 17 05:15 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
New member from Canada and fairly new to genealogy. I've made a lot of headway, but I'm a little stuck and I'm not sure if what I'm looking for even exists.
I've established that Henry married Lydia Juniper, 4th, November, 1823 in Westmeston, Sussex. However, it's little more than a registration, just their names, no witnesses, no parental names. I've previously used the various censuses and marriage documents to link and confirm other parentage for other couples, but obviously I've run out of censuses for this couple at this date :)
I suspect Lydia's parents are Samuel and Mary, but I can't confirm that.
I know their four children were all baptised in Westmeston: Henry, John, Emma and William.
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Civil Registration, and therefore Marriage Certificates, came into being on 1st July 1837.
Before that date you have to rely on Parish Register entries.
FamilySearch only has the entry from its "England, Marriages 153801873" collection - and that only has the basic details you have found.
So, you need to find out where the parish registers for Westmeston are held?
They will be at East Sussex Record Office, at The Keep.
http://www.thekeep.info/about_us/services/
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Hi
The familysearch catalogue shows what information is available through them for Westmeston
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kic/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kie/
You can order these to view at your local family history centre.
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From the BT -
Marriage was by Banns
No marital status given.
Henry + Lydia both of the parish
They both marked
Witnesses William Marchant, William Hemsley
(Hemsley was a "regular" witness)
The only other marriage at Westmeston that year was on 21 April, George Hamper of the parish of Street + Mary Jane Peckham (both single). Witnessed by a Henry Hamper and a Jane Hamper (all marked)
John
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You can order these to view at your local family history centre.
Have to be quick!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773919.0
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
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A Henry Hamper married in Street Sussex in 1714. This was from the free search on FindMyPast, so I don't have any other details. Maybe it can be found on familysearch
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Found on FS, but only BT
This HH married Elizabeth Alcock on 14 July 1714. Record doesn't list witnesses, parishes or status unfortunately
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRG3-QVC?i=689&cat=585745
page 690
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
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You neglected to say that you have to be registered
You neglected to say that you have to be logged in
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You can order these to view at your local family history centre.
Have to be quick!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773919.0
Thanks jon, I did not realise it was that close ::)
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
p336
Rhamper,
You have to ignore the fact that they say they are only viewable at a family history centre. If you register on the site you can see those records. Sometimes the same message is displayed on their site for other records and you can't see them from home.
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
p336
You neglected to say that you have to be registered
You neglected to say that you have to be logged in
Forgot that, sorry, I seem to be permanently logged in, but as far as I know you can still register for a free account - I certainly don't pay anything.
Found records of two Henry Hamper baptisms
HH bapt in Street, 28 May 1801 s/o Henry and Jane Hamper
and HH bapt in Westmeston 22 Oct 1797 s/o John and Amy Hamper
The one born in Street seems to be in Ramsgate Kent in 1851, he is a widower and living with him is unmarried sister in law Frances Ann Baldock b Canterbury, Kent, so unless he married a second time to a Miss Baldock, possibly also of Canterbury, he is probably ruled out, but due to his parentage a possible brother to the George H of Street who married in Westmeston.
What did your HH call his children? that can sometimes give a clue as to parents.
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Yes, make use of those Sussex images on Family Search while you can!
As Lizzie said, registering is free.
We've already lost access to East Sussex parish registers at home. BT's still available at the moment.
John
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1841 census Westmeston
Lydia Hamper 40
Henry 13
Amy 11
William 7
Possibly Lydia nee Juniper and children. Status not recorded in 1841, so don't know if she was widowed or Henry away from home on census night. No occupation given for Lydia.
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baptisms in Westmeston - children of Henry and Lydia
Henry 14 may 1826
John 15 June 1828
Emma 8 Aug 1830
William 15 Sept 1833
judging from Emma's age, I think she may be the one listed as Amy in 1841
Maybe connected
John Hamper married Sarah Sharp botp (no status given) by banns on 25 Dec 1832
wit Richard Hamper and Mary Hamper
baptisms in 1833
Elizabeth d/o Richard and Mary Hamper 23 June
and
Harriott d/o John and Sarah 10 Nov
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Henry Hamper buried 2 June 1837 age 39 - just a few weeks before civil registration started. So born about 1798, more evidence that he is the one bapt in Westmeston s/o John and Amy
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3 Apr 1795, John Hamper married Amy Miles botp at Westmeston
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27 Sep 1801 baptism of George s/o John and Amy Hamper at Westmeston. He matches with a George on various censuses with wife Mary Jane so looks like he was this Henry's brother and not the HH born in Street.
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Holy Smokes LizzieL you are a machine! I'll need some time to digest the information, but thank you for your efforts and thanks to all for the rapid response. Very much appreciated. I'll likely have more questions, some concerning the process etc. Would they be better off posted in the general chat or can I continue here.
For instance, at this time are marriage banns an annoucement of intention to marry or is it actually the legal union from that date (no ceremony, basically like a Justice of the Peace)?
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
p336
Rhamper,
You have to ignore the fact that they say they are only viewable at a family history centre. If you register on the site you can see those records. Sometimes the same message is displayed on their site for other records and you can't see them from home.
As it turns out, I do have an account there and in fact I have my family tree there. So I could view the image. I was surprised. I couldn't save or print it but that's ok. It was great to see it.
So I learned something new; there are some nooks and crannies on Family Search I didn't know about. They never came up in a search. Or are they part of the transcriptions and I just see the end result of others hard work? I just have to learn to find my way there. Like all the Westmeston parish links, I had no idea I could get to those. Thanks for your help!
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From the BT -
Marriage was by Banns
No marital status given.
Henry + Lydia both of the parish
They both marked
Witnesses William Marchant, William Hemsley
(Hemsley was a "regular" witness)
The only other marriage at Westmeston that year was on 21 April, George Hamper of the parish of Street + Mary Jane Peckham (both single). Witnessed by a Henry Hamper and a Jane Hamper (all marked)
John
Thanks so much John. I have some questions.
I've asked elsewhere in the thread, but just in case: Banns are announcements or the actual union?
What does "they marked" mean?
BT means Bishop's Transcripts correct? Does that mean I might find more info on a Parish Register, possibly?
I think the Street/Streat Hampers are not my line, at least at this point. Westmeston and Keymer are two important areas. Later Laughton, Lewes and Hailsham.
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Civil Registration, and therefore Marriage Certificates, came into being on 1st July 1837.
Before that date you have to rely on Parish Register entries.
FamilySearch only has the entry from its "England, Marriages 153801873" collection - and that only has the basic details you have found.
So, you need to find out where the parish registers for Westmeston are held?
They will be at East Sussex Record Office, at The Keep.
http://www.thekeep.info/about_us/services/
Thanks! I'll look into that. Looks promising.
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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340
p336
Yeah, I work away and won't be home until September so that's out. BUT following the links I did find out that I have a LHS in my home town in the middle of nowhere! So, that's something.
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Found records of two Henry Hamper baptisms
HH bapt in Street, 28 May 1801 s/o Henry and Jane Hamper
and HH bapt in Westmeston 22 Oct 1797 s/o John and Amy Hamper
The one born in Street seems to be in Ramsgate Kent in 1851, he is a widower and living with him is unmarried sister in law Frances Ann Baldock b Canterbury, Kent, so unless he married a second time to a Miss Baldock, possibly also of Canterbury, he is probably ruled out, but due to his parentage a possible brother to the George H of Street who married in Westmeston.
What did your HH call his children? that can sometimes give a clue as to parents.
Henry, John, Emma (Amy) and William :D I love using that clue (with caution). When I get the tree done, I'm going to count how many times each name appears. Dad's middle name is Henry :) and the Henry I'm looking for here would be his great-great grandfather.