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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: stecrook on Saturday 14 October 17 21:24 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am researching my family tree my mothers name was Garvey, I believe her Ancestors originated from County Clare. My 3x Grandfather was called Patrick Garvey and I believe he married a Nancy Gleeson on the 23/02/1830. I would love it anybody can give any information i would be very happy as i seem to have hit a brick wall, ty Steve
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Welcome to Rootscchat,
Can you provide a bit more details for us. You say the family name came from County Clare. Is that where you think they were born/married.
Do you have a rough age for either of them or a middle name/initial.
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Hi Schoch, the only information I have is that they married 23/02/1830 in Newmarket-on-Fergus, but i'm not even sure where i got that information from, their son Michael was born in 1836 and got married to a Mary Flynn in Bacup, Lancashire in 1857, there were 2 more children Patrick born in1838, Ann born in 1845. I have the information that Michael was born in Quin-Clooney, to be truthful i'm beginning to doubt where that has come from, it's frustrating I have been looking now for a couple of years now, I keep going back on Ancestry every so often and having another go, Ty. Steve
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I think they were both born approx. 1816
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Found the marriage at least
First one on left, so we can at least confirm they were RC.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634764#page/197/mode/1up
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Good find ;D
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Thank you very much Sinann, is website free to use, would it be possible to find any baptism records for there children, ty Steve
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It's free, I was looking for the children but didn't have any luck yet, have you only got years of birth and are they estimated ?
https://registers.nli.ie/
You can't search by name.
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That word under the marriage, I'm wondering now if it could mean dispensation!
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Hi Sinann, the year of birth are estimated i'm afraid, i think the son Patrick got married on 21 Apr 1863 • Quin, Clare, but i think his parents moved to UK and he stayed there in Clare and "maybe" emigrated to Australia, but thats for another day :) ty Steve
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P.S. sorry but what would dispensation mean Ty Steve
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P.S. sorry but what would dispensation mean Ty Steve
It's when some rule that would prevent the two people from getting married is overruled.
They could be related or of different religions.
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Hi Sinann, Is it possible to find out which parish they lived in so we could narrow the search down, I know that Patrick and Anna/Nancy got married in Newmarket-On-Fergus, I can't seem to find birth records for their 3 children Their son Patrick (1838) Their other son Michael (1836). the daughter Ann was born (1845) these dates are approx. Is there any records kept of movement to the UK or were people free to travel anywhere within the British Isles. ty for help you have very helpful i'm really grateful, Steve
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Ireland was part of the UK so no records of travel were kept.
Where did you get the dates for the children, and their parents names.
You have the parish of Quin, Clooney as the title of the thread, why? Was it on a record for one of them?
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Hi Sinann, I have been looking back at my research and i cannot find where i got the Quin Clooney from, it was 3 years ago it may have been from another members tree on Ancestry, the reason i'm looking at it again is I think i may have gone astray somewhere in my search and i'm trying to see where i've gone wrong. My 2x great grandfather Michael married a Mary Flynn in October 1857 in Haslingden, Lancashire. according to the marriage certificate his father was called Patrick and Mary's father was called Thomas, according to the 1861 census Michael was 25 and Mary 23 both born in Ireland, where i may have gone wrong is on Michael's side regarding where he was born, sorry if I have somehow misled you, I think I may have to give up trying to go further, ty Steve
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No worries, Quin is the next parish over as such so quite possible. You would expect when we can find the parent's marriage we should be able to find the baptisms for the children, three thoughts, they moved away from Clare and we are just not spotting them, they were in a parish that doesn't have surviving records or that dispensation indicates that one was COI and the children were baptised COI not RC. I'd have expected the priest to make a note of that on the register so I'm don't think it's very likely, not even sure they would have agreed to marry them with out one of them converting.
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Reading over your post again
Michael Garvey married Mary Flynn in 1857
You have Michael's father Patrick Garvey from the marriage but where did you get the mother's name?
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Sounds like you were a victim of a cobbled together tree which I read so much about. It looks like you need to go forward before you can go back. Did Michael survive to 1911, it is the best Census for place of birth.
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From another tree on Ancestry, where I think I went wrong.after I found out about Quin, County Clare, I e-mailed a church in Quin and got the marriage of a Patrick Garvey to a Nancy (anna) Gleeson, this is a reply from them, My apoligies for the long delay in getting back to you since your emails of 28/29 July.
I got around to checking parish records today on your behalf.
They are the Roman Catholic church records of Baptisms and solemnised Marriages which took place in the parish of Quin-Clooney (amalgamated parishes) over the years going back to the early 19th century.
The records show that Michael Garvey, son of Patrick (Pat) Garvey and Ann (Nancy) Gleeson was baptised on 20th April 1834. This date would appear to conflict with the date of birth (1836) which you indicated. In addition, no siblings were shown to exist at that time, but perhaps Pat and Ann were born at a later stage. (I omitted to check further on them, but will do so if you wish).
Interestingly, there were 16 families of Garvey resident in the parish around that time (1834) but, to the best of my knowledge, there are none today. Perhaps the famine of 1847/48 had a devastating effect (as it did on almost half of the population of Ireland at the time), leadng to wholesale emigration..
Though the name is not uncommon in Ireland, there seems to be few Garveys today in County Clare. However, I am aware of at least one family in each of contigious parishes, Newmarket-on-Fergus and Doora/Barefield.
The marriage of Patrick Garvey and Nancy Gleeson is not reported in the records examined, perhaps for the reason that the wedding may have taken place in another parish native to the bride, and thus be the subject of records in that parish.
I hope this information may be of assistance in your research.
With best wishes.
Eddie Lawrence.
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I only have Michael on the 1861 census, he and Mary and daughter were living with her parents, then in the 1871 she and her children living with her parents still recorded as married, in the 1881 Mary is head of household with her children and her mother, still recorded as married, in 1891 she is recorded as widow, in 1901 Mary is living with her daughter, she passed away in 1902. I have the grave no and the details of who is buried there and Michael is not with her, i cannot find a death for him anywhere,
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I can see that baptism left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634686#page/131/mode/1up
and the address is different from the Patrick marriage in 1863 so Patrick and Michael may not be brothers.
I'd say there is a good chance this Michael is the son of the Patrick and Anne that married in Newmarket but sadly there is no way of knowing if he is your Michael.
Such a shame he disappeared.
I'd ask for help finding him in the Common Room
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/common-room/
you just don't have enough to find him in Ireland
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How is the best way that I could request help. Thank you so much for the time you have spent on my request, it can be so rewarding when you discover something :) and so frustrating when you don't:( I will keep plodding away, nothing ventured nothing gained, ty again Stephen
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Your reply #19 explains quite well, just start it with the details of his marriage to Mary.