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Title: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: gwilliams3 on Wednesday 01 November 17 12:59 GMT (UK)
I have 4 possible matches coming up on GRO, but they are all listed as PEMBROKE UNION.

WILLIAMS, JOHN         JOHN  GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 33 
WILLIAMS, JOHN         LEWIS GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 642  Order 
WILLIAMS, JOHN      -           GRO Reference: 1839  S Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 618  Order 
WILLIAMS, JOHN  PICTON     GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 643 


Has anyone researched John and might have evidence of which one was born in Monkton ? Alternatively if anyone can rule out one of the possibles, means I will have to order fewer PDF's

thanks in advance, Geoff
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 01 November 17 13:04 GMT (UK)
Have you found him on census with his parents  :-\
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 13:08 GMT (UK)
Any idea who he married, or who his father was?

2 bapts on familysearch with possible parents, to try narrow...

Cas
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 13:23 GMT (UK)
WILLIAMS, JOHN   Mmn    JOHN     
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 33   Order

WILLIAMS, JOHN    Mmn   LEWIS     
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 642   

WILLIAMS, JOHN       -  no mmn listed likely illegitimate
GRO Reference: 1839  S Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 618   

WILLIAMS, JOHN  PICTON mmn PICTON   
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in PEMBROKE UNION  Volume 26  Page 643   

These are the listings just for 1839 with mmn listed

Added: see you have now included Mmn
 
       
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: gwilliams3 on Wednesday 01 November 17 13:36 GMT (UK)
earliest census I have him on is 1871 and he's married/ head of house.
His marriage cert, to Martha Hill, states father is also John.

There's just so many John Williams to choose from, so I suspect the first entry, I should check a few years either side as well to eliminate date mis-matches
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 13:53 GMT (UK)
Only 2 in Monkton area coming up with birth year 1839 +/- 2 yrs. one has a father named Thomas this is the other.

1841- Priory Mains, Monkton, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
John   Williams   Male   30 Ag lab      Pembrokeshire, Wales   
Sarah   Williams   Female   30   Pembrokeshire, Wales   
Ann   Williams   Female   4   Pembrokeshire, Wales   
John   Williams   Male   2   Pembrokeshire, Wales   
Robert   Williams   Male   0   Pembrokeshire, Wales   
 
Bapt on Familysearch parents John/Sarah original gives address Priory Mains

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1RQ-7GW

Robert has mmn John, bapt on familysearch same area.

Cas
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 14:05 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCBY-VDY original states Williams. Says he is of Monkton, St Nicholas. Sarah of Amroth

Cas
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 14:22 GMT (UK)
Same family 1851

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG61-84F

Cas
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 17 15:08 GMT (UK)
1861 - John, Sarah and daughter Ann still in Carew area.
1871 - Just John Snr, & Sarah same area Carew Mountain.
1881- Sarah, Widowed, pauper, Carew Mountain.

1861 - for John a good possible is in St Twynnells area about 4 miles from Castlemartin. He is a servant on marriage cert, servant with this family as a Carter, age fits. Birthplace given is just Pembroke.

Cas
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: gwilliams3 on Wednesday 08 November 17 08:11 GMT (UK)
thanks for the searches, I have two choices born in Monkton,
John son of John, b 1839
&
John son of Thomas, b 1838

I might not be able to find any more evidence but given the census records  for John I have, all estimate his birth in 1839, except one which suggest 1840, I tend towards John son of John, b 1839, rather than the 1838 option.

I know there can be variation in DOB worked out from census, especially if adult ages appear to be in multiples of 5, but his ages on census records are shown as :
1871 - 41 which is a mis-transcribed 31
1881 - 42
1891 - 52
1901 - 62
these are the census records when he was married and he died in 1910

this is probably the best conclusion I can make at this point. I need to make a note on my tree on how I reached this conclusion.
Do other people record how they came to certain conclusions ?
Title: Re: John Williams b abt 1839 in Monkton, Pembrokeshire
Post by: gwilliams3 on Wednesday 08 November 17 18:07 GMT (UK)
...and then I remember I have john and Martha's wedding cert which shows John Williams father is John Williams - Doh !