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Title: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: yellingbo on Saturday 25 November 17 06:55 GMT (UK)
Help please!
1851 Census, Parish of Rosemarkie Burgh of Fortrose,
I can read most of the document but I cannot read Christian and Ann Mckenzie`s Occupations!
The other persons in the household are...
Sth Cathederal st, Hugh Mciver, Mason, Rossshire? Rosemarkie.
                             Mary Mciver,  Masons Wife Rossshire? Fortrose? Children..Catherine, Ann, &Daniel

Thanks in advance         
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 25 November 17 08:02 GMT (UK)
Christian is an "Out Servant".  Looks like the first word for Ann is "Object" but not sure of the second.

Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 25 November 17 09:42 GMT (UK)
Christian is an "Out Servant".  Looks like the first word for Ann is "Object" but not sure of the second.

Agree from first to last!  I can't read the last word either - looks like 'learn' but that isn't right.    :-\   

Wonder if it could be loom

Or is it clean?  Which doesn't seem to make sense either.   :-\ :-\

Did they have looms for making specifit objects I wonder?  In which case could she have worked on one?

Wiggy
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: jcmac on Saturday 25 November 17 11:07 GMT (UK)
Masons daughter and Servant. ?
     do          do   at home.
jcmac.
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 November 17 11:16 GMT (UK)
I agree with "at home" for Ann
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 25 November 17 15:20 GMT (UK)
Masons daughter and Servant. ?
     do          do   at home.
jcmac.

I think you might be looking at the wrong entry  :-\ (but I think you are correct in your interpretation).   yellingbo is looking for the occupation of Ann Mckenzie  - 7th entry from the top of the page. 
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 November 17 15:39 GMT (UK)
So sorry I was looking at the wrong entry too  :-[

Out of interest the occupations are transcribed as

Ort Servant and

Objert Ceam

Do they perhaps appear on any other census with occupations listed?
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 25 November 17 16:41 GMT (UK)
The transcription that I looked at had the occs as ~

Out Worker  Servant  - **  not sure why I originally typed worker!
Object Learn

Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 25 November 17 19:18 GMT (UK)
I wonder what it means then.    :-\ :-\

From the other entries it doesn't look as if the enumerator was the type to make jokes.
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 25 November 17 19:57 GMT (UK)
I'm thinking that the best thing might be for yellingbo to contact SP and ask them if they have any ideas.  They're very good about these things and have solved quite a few indecipherables .

Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: yellingbo on Saturday 25 November 17 21:41 GMT (UK)
I have found Ann Mckenzie  in 1841,Daughter! 1861 domestic servant, 1871 general servant.   As for Christian I cant find her in any other census, or her death record either.... she may have gone to Inverness or even  married!  Scotlands people have a list of occupations and the only one that comes near to your suggestions is "Cremer" or "Cramer "   Stall holder/pedler...     
Thankyou all for your help.
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: GR2 on Saturday 25 November 17 21:50 GMT (UK)
The enumerator has used capitals at the start of words. I don't think the second word begins with L, if you compare the L of "Lodger" earlier in the line. It almost looks like a capital S in the word "Servant" which appears in the third line from the top.
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 26 November 17 22:17 GMT (UK)
If it is an S at the start of the second word could it be Sewer?  As in a lady who sewed garments or objects if indeed the first word is object  :-\

Please let us know if you find out!
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: jennywren001 on Sunday 26 November 17 23:00 GMT (UK)
It might not be an occupation...from my Scots dictionary: object :"deformed or diseased person; an imbecile; someone deserving of pity"

I've come across "object since childhood" on the census, mind there's not many examples of its use to be found.
Jen
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 26 November 17 23:06 GMT (UK)
Good explanation, Jen  :)

Could it therefore be Object Lame?
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: GR2 on Sunday 26 November 17 23:29 GMT (UK)
Yes. It's "Object leam (= lame)".
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 27 November 17 11:29 GMT (UK)
Gosh you learn something new every day, have never heard of that before thanks for explaining  :)
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: yellingbo on Tuesday 05 December 17 00:18 GMT (UK)
Scotlands people have sent me a clearer copy of the record! they havent said what her Ocupation means.... I stll dont know the second word  Object ?????  any more thoughts!
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 05 December 17 01:01 GMT (UK)
Did you miss Replies #14 & #15?

Annie
Title: Re: Ann Mckenzie and Christian Mckenzie
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 05 December 17 07:51 GMT (UK)
Did you miss Replies #14 & #15?

Annie

Just to reinforce what Annie has said:

It might not be an occupation...from my Scots dictionary: object :"deformed or diseased person; an imbecile; someone deserving of pity"

I've come across "object since childhood" on the census, mind there's not many examples of its use to be found.
Jen


Good explanation, Jen  :)

Could it therefore be Object Lame?

Yes. It's "Object leam (= lame)".

i.e. She was disabled by being lame.