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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: blackenbauer114 on Monday 04 December 17 22:35 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find information on a town called Glack. The address I have says Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland. I have found Kirkmichael and Banffshire but I can not find anything of Glack. Has anyone ever heard of this town? Is it now incorporated into another larger town?
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Glack is not uncommon as a place name. In Aberdeenshire they are usually referred to as "The Glack". It comes from the Gaelic glac, meaning a hollow between hills.
It will most likely be a small croft. You should go to the National Library of Scotland maps website and look at the early large scale Ordnance Survey maps of the area.
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Hmmm. If the souce you have describes Glack as a 'town', it is 'town' in the sense of a single farm or croft, as GR2 says, not in the modern sense. There is no town or village called Glack in the parish of Kirkmichael, and the only village in the parish is Tomintoul which was founded in the 1770s IIRC.
I looked at https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/, but while there are places called Glack in six parishes in Banffshire - Aberlour, Botriphnie, Cabrach, Grange, Inveravon and Mortlach - none are listed in the parish of Kirkmichael. The Glacks listed in Inveravon are all in references to names of people who have provided information for the Name Book.
What is the date of the document that contains it, where did you find it, and what, exactly, is the wording? Better still, post an extract from the document here so that we can take a look at it.
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Unfortunately, it's not a document that I found the info from. It was on another researchers tree and I don't know where they got the info from. They have it as the place of birth for several children in the family. I think I will just put down that they were born in Kirkmichael, Banffshire and leave the Glack off seeing as it can't be found. At least until I can find some kind of source that gives the name of the town.
Thank you for your help, it is very much appreciated.
Beverly
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Unfortunately, it's not a document that I found the info from. It was on another researchers tree and I don't know where they got the info from. They have it as the place of birth for several children in the family. I think I will just put down that they were born in Kirkmichael, Banffshire and leave the Glack off seeing as it can't be found. At least until I can find some kind of source that gives the name of the town.
Very wise decision! It's never a good idea to trust a tree you find online.
But let's see if we can get to the bottom of it.
What are the names and dates of the people involved?
You might like to have a look at this, which will give you some idea what the parish was like
http://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Banff/Kirkmichael
I've just been re-reading the 1794 account, and it is very entertaining.
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I think I may have found your Glack.
See http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.3017&lon=-3.2639&layers=5&b=1
and http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2324
However this farm/croft lies in the parish of Inveravon, not in the parish of Kirkmichael. In order to confirm that it is the right place, we really need to look for the source of the information you found online.
To do this we need to know the names and dates of the people you are interested in.
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The other researcher (family tree that said Glack) had no sources what so ever. They just had a map picture with the name Glack on it but it did not show the county. (I have attached the picture I copied) She has it labeled "Glack in Kirkmichael". It's hard to read but there is a name to the right that says Nethertown, a name under the word Glack says Pootwick or Footwick and a name above Glack that says Allanreid. Other names on the map are Glenlivel, Tullich, and Whitefolds.
I couldn't pull up a Nethertown.
Allanread comes up as a ruined farmsteading situated near the banks of the River Livet (Canmore). Glenlivel comes up as the Battle of Glenlivet 1594 near Allanreid and Morinsh.
Glenlivet is the glen in the Scottish Highlands through which the River Livet flows (doesn't list a county).
Whitefolds comes up as Whitefolds Farm, a prospering Scottish red meat industry and Whitefold Wood, Perth and Kinross. The Gazetteer for Scotland - Moray, lists a Whitefold.
Pootwick or footwick pulled up nothing.
Tullich is a village in Aberdeenshire, Scotland (The Battle of Tullich, in 1652).
The family I have been researching is Fraser.
Father: William Fraser b. 1767 Scotland d. pos Banffshire, Scotland
Mother: Marjery McKenzie b. 1768 Scotland d. pos Banffshire, Scotland
Children:
Isobel Fraser b. 1786 Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland
John Fraser b. 1789 Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland
Helen Fraser b. 1792 Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland
Margaret Fraser b. 1794 Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland
James Fraser b. 1801 Glack, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland
They all died in Keith, Banffshire, Scotland.
I have found birth registrations for 4 of the 5 children. They list the place of birth as Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland. No mention of Glack so again I have no idea where this other person got the name Glack from.
I know that I have found other family member's death certs that have listed the name of the farm they lived on but they also list the city or county so I am thinking, like suggested, that Glack is just a reference to a location within Kirkmichael (ie. Farm or Croft) and not a town.
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The other researcher (family tree that said Glack) had no sources what so ever. They just had a map picture with the name Glack on it but it did not show the county. (I have attached the picture I copied) She has it labeled "Glack in Kirkmichael". It's hard to read but there is a name to the right that says Nethertown, a name under the word Glack says Pootwick or Footwick and a name above Glack that says Allanreid. Other names on the map are Glenlivel, Tullich, and Whitefolds.
Yes, that is the place I found.
I couldn't pull up a Nethertown
It's marked on the First Edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch map as Nethertown of Achdregnie, and it is on the first map I sent you in my earlier post. Nethertown was still there on maps published in the early 20th century, but it had disappeared by the late 1940s.
Allanread comes up as a ruined farmsteading situated near the banks of the River Livet (Canmore). Glenlivel comes up as the Battle of Glenlivet 1594 near Allanreid and Morinsh.
Glenlivet is the glen in the Scottish Highlands through which the River Livet flows (doesn't list a county).
It's all in Banffshire.
Whitefolds comes up as Whitefolds Farm, a prospering Scottish red meat industry and Whitefold Wood, Perth and Kinross. The Gazetteer for Scotland - Moray, lists a Whitefold.
There are places called Whitefold(s) in several different counties. I think you can safely disregard that one. Your one is about two miles north-east of Glack.
Pootwick or footwick pulled up nothing.
It's Poolwick, and it is, or rather was, just a few hundred yards from Glack. It is on the first map I sent you in my earlier post.
Tullich is a village in Aberdeenshire, Scotland (The Battle of Tullich, in 1652).
True, but there are probably dozens of places called Tullich or Tulloch in Scotland. The one you are looking for is about a mile north-west of Glack. See http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15&lat=57.3054&lon=-3.2788&layers=5&b=1 - Tullich is at upper left, Allanreid upper right, Achdregnie, Nethertown, Glack and Poolwick at lower right. If you click on the map and drag it down and to the left you will see where your Whitefolds is.
The family I have been researching is Fraser.
They all died in Keith, Banffshire, Scotland.
What evidence do you have to show that the Frasers who died in Keith are the ones born in Kirkmichael?
I have found birth registrations for 4 of the 5 children.
When you say you have found birth registrations, what exactly have you found? Have you seen images of original images of the baptisms, or have you just seen transcriptions or indexes?
I know that I have found other family member's death certs that have listed the name of the farm they lived on but they also list the city or county so I am thinking, like suggested, that Glack is just a reference to a location within Kirkmichael (ie. Farm or Croft) and not a town.
I already sent you two maps, besides the one above, that show you exactly where Glack is. Did you actually look at them?
I have assured you that there is not, and never has been, a town in the modern sense of a built-up-area with a population numbered in thousands, in the parish of Kirkmichael. Glack is a single farm or croft in Glen Livet, a couple of hundred yards from the River Livet. It is not, however, in the parish of Kirkmichael; it is in the neighbouring parish of Inveravon.
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I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I was not trying to argue that there was a town named Glack in Kirkmichael. I was just stating what info I had. You asked about my sources. The info I had only said Kirkmichael, the info about Glack was from another researcher who had no sources but the map I sent you.
I included the map I had found on the other person's family tree so you could see what I was looking at. I had already said that I was taking the name "Glack" off my records because you told me there was no place called Glack in Kirkmichael.
Yes, I looked at your maps, thank you for sending them. I did believe you when you told me there was no Glack in Kirkmichael.
The genealogical evidence I have for this family are baptism records, Scotland Censuses for various years, marriage registrations, and death registrations.
Again, thank you for your help.
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I was trying to get at why this other person thought they came from Glack. There has to be a reason for them thinking that, and if the reason is good it should be possible to replicate their findings.
Although Glack is in the parish of Inveravon, the parish kirk of Kirkmichael is much closer than the parish kirk of Inveravon, so it would make sense for them to attend services there, and to seek baptism from the minister of Kirkmichael rather than the minister of Inveravon.
Or it is even possible that Glack was in a detached part of Kirkmichael, as an enclave surrounded by Inveravon.
I see from LIBINDX that Helen Fraser, aged 74, died in Keith in 1872, and that Helen Fraser is in the 1851 census there, birthplace Kirkmichael. Also that James Fraser died in Keith in 1875 aged 71, and that he and his wife, both born in Kirkmichael, were in the 1851 census there.
However I shall not look into this any further in the meantime.
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If the family can't be found in the kirk records, they may have been Roman Catholic. According to the Old Statistical Account in 1791 there were 384 Catholics out of a population of 1276. The account is worth reading as the writer is not short of an opinion or two. Of the women of "Tammtoul" he has this to say:
"All of them sell whisky, and all of them drink it. When disengaged from this business, the women spin yarn, kiss their inamoratos, or dance to the discordant sounds of an old fiddle."
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If the family can't be found in the kirk records, they may have been Roman Catholic.
Quite likely, but none of them appear to be listed in any of the databases on SP.
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Just for your interest, in my lifetime the Glack in the Braes of Glenlivet was a more or less a "sheep house " but was rebuilt as a holiday house several years ago. I think it is still inhabited and is at the base of the Bochel hill. If this is where your Frasers lived, they might have been on RC baptism records etc for Chapelton , the Braes of Glenlivet or even Tombae on the other side of the Bochel.
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Thank you crombieburn