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Hoping someone with knowledge of the area can help me.
My 4G grandmother Mary Crutch born c 1786 gave her birthplace as Asket, Oxon in 1851 and 1861 census.
Browsing today I found another Crutch family in 1851 census, birthplace given as Ascott, Oxon (father Martin age 67 and son Thomas age 36, living in Stadhampton, Oxfordshire.
Martin appears to have been baptised in Great Milton in 1785, married in Great Milton in 1812, and a son Thomas was baptised in Great Milton in 1813, abode Ascot.
Great Milton and Askett appear to be some 14 miles apart, so I am wondering if there is a different Asket/Ascot/Ascott a bit closer to Great Milton. :-\
Thanks in advance
Margaret
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Margaret -
Great Milton and Askett appear to be some 14 miles apart, so I am wondering if there is a different Asket/Ascot/Ascott a bit closer to Great Milton. :-\
Members of Oxfordshire Family History Society are given a copy of "Oxfordshire Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts", by Colin Harris. This publication also lists hamlets, chapelries, etc.
For Ascott it gives:
Ascott (hamlet) - see Gt. Milton, Little Milton after 1844, and Stadhampton after 1932
Wendy
Oxfordshire FHS Helpdesk
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Thanks very much for that, Wendy. :)
I'm not sure if Martin Crutch and Mary Crutch were related, Mary may have been from the other Asket, but I have something new to research.
Where would Ascott be today?
Margaret
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From GenUKI:
"ASCOTT, a hamlet in the parish of Great Milton, hundred of Thame in the county of Oxford, 7 miles from Thame. The river Thame runs near it, and it is a station on the Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton railway."
And, (re the "other" Askett) from Wikipedia:
Askett is a hamlet in the parish of Princes Risborough, in Buckinghamshire, England. It is situated near the Chiltern Hills. Three miles from the market town of Princes Risborough, the village is served with a pub, The Three Crowns, as well as a nursery/garden centre and an Indian restaurant. A prosperous hamlet, Askett is a typical English "picture postcard" village.
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Margaret -
Thanks very much for that, Wendy. :)
I'm not sure if Martin Crutch and Mary Crutch were related, Mary may have been from the other Asket, but I have something new to research.
Where would Ascott be today?
Margaret
In terms of Ascott - and other Oxfordshire places - always good to refer to the Victoria County History of Oxfordshire, now online.
Of Ascott, it says at http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol7/pp117-146
Of Milton's other hamlets Ascot once had a large manor-house, a medieval chapel, and at least three farmhouses. (fn. 81) Little is left now except Ascot Farm, an L-shaped, half-timbered and brick house, dating from the 16th and 17th centuries, and a few other survivals of the great house and its appendages. Ascot was the home for several generations of various members of the Great Milton branch of the Dormer family: Sir Michael Dormer acquired it in 1518, and it passed to his son Ambrose (d. 1566). (fn. 82) Ambrose's widow Jane, who had a life-interest in the house, (fn. 83) took as her second husband William Hawtrey, a London merchant and an original member of the Muscovy company. (fn. 84) In her will made in 1581, Jane speaks of her plate and household stuff at 'my mansion house and grounds called Ascott'.
Here's a trail, showing it in relation to Stadhampton -
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/content/ascott-park-historical-trail
Wendy
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Margaret -
Thanks very much for that, Wendy. :)
I'm not sure if Martin Crutch and Mary Crutch were related, Mary may have been from the other Asket, but I have something new to research.
May I suggest you have a search done in the Oxfordshire FHS's baptism index in their Search Services? See Surname Search Services on the left at www.ofhs.org.uk :-)
Wendy
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Margaret -
My 4G grandmother Mary Crutch born c 1786 gave her birthplace as Asket, Oxon in 1851 and 1861 census.
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There's an entry on the Oxfordshire Surname Interest List, OXSIL, www.oxsil.org.uk , for CRUTCH in Stadhampton. You might want to contact the researcher, and also add your own interests there.
Wendy
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Thank you everyone.
Will have to do further research, I have always thought Mary was born in Askett.
She later lived in Chearsley, Bucks, a bit closer to Askett than Ascott, but it might be right. Since she was illiterate, the enumerator may have got the place wrong
Thanks again :)
Margaret
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Something to ponder, although only vaguely attached by name at Chearsley,
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Baptism - 29 Mar 1812. Rosetta illegitimate daughter of Mary CRUTCH.
Baptism - 14 May 1815. Mary illegitimate daughter of Mary CRUCH of Chearsley.
Baptism - 17 Aug 1834. George illegitimate son of Mary CRUTCH of Chearsley.
Marriage - 6 Feb 1840. by Banns.
James(x)PIDDINGTON, aged fa, Widower of Upper Winchendon, Labourer son of James Piddington, Labourer.
Mary CRUTCH, aged fa, Spinster of Chearsley daughter of Jonah Rose, Carrier
Witnesses - Alexander Wilson, Stephen Wilson.
That all the events recorded in Chearsley for Crutch and variants.
Steve. :)
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Stephen, I have just looked at this thread again for further reference, and I don't remember seeing your reply.
This is 'my' Mary Crutch/Crouch and family, I am descended from George Crouch born 1834.
I think Jonah Rose is possibly a made up name for father of Mary Crutch who married James Piddington, though it may not be. I have found no other records naming him or for him, he was my 4G grandfather.
Regards Margaret
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It could also be possible, that Mary Crutch was Illigitimate, and that is her fathers name. I cannot think why she should make up a name like Jonah Rose. I would have though it may have been Jonah Crutch, she would have made up.
There maybe another reason.......she could have been born Mary Rose, and married a Mr. Crutch, and he later died. Instead of declaring being a Widow, and effecitively being unmarried, regarded herself a spinster, but keeping the Crutch surname. It has been known to happen that way.
And why Chearsley, to get married, and not Askett/Ascott etc.
Food for thought though. ???
Steve. :)
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Steve, Mary Crutch born c 1787 had 2 illegitimate children Rosetta and Mary jnr, and never married, that I know of.
Mary Crutch jnr was born in Chearsley and had an illegitimate son, George Crutch/Crouch before she married James Piddington. In giving her father's name as Jonah Rose it may have been correct, or complete fabrication. As you say, unusual perhaps to completely make up a name.
But looking now at Great Milton parish registers there was quite a large Cruch/Crutch family as well as the Martin already mentioned in my original post. No Mary Crutch c. 1786, unfortunately.
However, interestingly there was another illegitimate child, Priscilla Crutch daughter of Mary Crutch, baptised 15 Feb 1807, Great Milton. 'My' Mary would have been c. 20 then, so Priscilla, who is easily traceable in census, may have been half or even full sibling to Rosetta and Mary.
The more you look, the more you find, solve one problem, uncover two more, etc.
Regards Margaret
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Sorry. I got the 2 Mary Crutch's confused. :-[
Mary (Crutch(jnr)), Piddington, 1816, Chearsley.......could well be the daughter of Jonah Rose. His occupation as a Carrier(deliverer of goods), would take him anywhere. A bit of a 'fly by night'. ;D
Mary Crutch(snr.), is a widow in 1861, and unmarried in 1851. Did she marry a James Crutch(widowed), in 1816, Great Milton, with the name of Mary Tempero(a widow).
Sorry if I'm making a hard job of it.....just trying to help. ;)
I'll best leave you to it, as I'm getting rather muddled up. ;D
Steve. :) :)