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I have just had information that my Great Grandad was a William Burton not Handley.
From Oakamoor not sure if that is the correct spelling. He was a farmer in Burton upon Trent or maybe Stoke on Trent. My Grandad was born in 1914.
William had a brother called Frederick and my Grandad was illegitimate.
Does anyone have any information about The Burton Family? I have found one in 1901 but Dad is down as case maker I think this is wrong as would be a farmer?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Marytm
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Hello,
Do you mean that William Burton was a farmer when he fathered the child in 1914 or that William Burton’s father was the farmer?
If the latter, how do you know this information? What else do you know about WB?
The one you mention fits with brother and place.
Regards
Heywood
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I believe he (William Burton) was a farmer. I believe the farm had been in the family some time but I haven’t found confirmation of this yet. And that he had a brother Frederick who inherited the farm when he died.
This has all been told me so I am trying to confirm it with facts.
I was told it was Oakamoor in Burton on Trent but I am having trouble finding this, maybe it is Stoke on Trent?
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Where was your grandfather born?
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Just for information - this is the one you mentioned.
1901 71/12/53
Greendale, Oakamoor
George Burton yrs Packing case maker b Oakamoor
Jane Burton 50 yrs b Cheadle Staffs
William Burton 15 yrs Copper Wire Drawer b Oakamoor
Frederick Burton 12 yrs b Oakamoor
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A William aged 42 occ Farmer b Oakamoor wife Jane 40 in Cheadle 1911?
Keyboard86
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Quote:
'I have just had information that my Great Grandad was a William Burton not Handley.'
Who told you this and where did they get the information from?
Is it connected with this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779294.0
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There is this one which I think keyboard means
1901 2628/69/7
William Burton 32 yrs Limestone quarryman Farmer
Jane Burton 29 yrs
Mary J Burton 7yrs
Olive Burton 5yrs
Arthur Burton 3 yrs
John J Burton 1 yr
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I think George previously quoted with children William and Frederick is possibly the brother of the William from 1901.
In 1891 George is living next door to his parents John and Mary and children including the William who becomes a farmer.
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Yes that was me too. I have been told this new information from a member of the family.
He seems to think they were well off farmers who had been on the same farm for years .
He was called William Frederick Handley on the birth cert.
I have been told this was made up.
Marytm
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Do you mean that you have found the same information re the Burtons?
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Hi
"I have been told this was made up."
By whom?
Your co-tree-owners?
The original subject(s)
Someone in between?
R
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Where was he born? I can’t see a William Frederick Handley birth in 1914. :-\
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Eric Handley is the illegitimate son.Willilam Frederick Handley was the made up Dad’s name.
Martha Watts/ Handley is Mum .
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Oh I see, thanks :)
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So this is him . . . . . ?
Eric Handley ( mmn WATTS )
1914 QDec Birmingham 6d 417?
Eric Edward Handley ( mmn - therefore Handley)
1914 QSep Lincoln 7a 940
What are the full details on the birth certificate?
Ray
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Martha Watts/Handley and her address. Dad as William Frederick Handley, tool maker. Son Eric Handley.
On Eric's wedding cert it says Arnold samuel is his Dad, who died in 1911.
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. . . . . died 1911? but married Martha . . . . .
1900 QMar Aston 6d 402 Samuel Arnold Handley / Martha Watts
Ray
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It is slightly confusing but I think I understand now.
I would say that you would need to confirm why your informant says this - is it a family story etc or is there more reliable information.
William would have a nephew Frederick not a brother, I think.
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Hi
So the detail is "her address" ?!?
I ask for detail that you have so we can (hopefully) prove / disprove which one of the 2x births are "yours".
Rather than just assume.
Why are you with-holding her address?
Please give us ALL the detail you have, no matter how small you feel it may be.
Thank you.
Ray
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William's death?
William Burton died age 56 in March quarter 1925 in Cheadle, Staffordshire
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From probate:
William Burton of East Wall, Oakamoor, Staffordshire, who was last seen alive 11 March 1925, and having been found dead on 15 March 1925 at Gibridding Wood, Cheadle, Staffordshire
Probate Lichfield 15 May to Frederick Arthur Goodwin and Clifford Burton farmers
Effects £1851 17s 4d
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Think there might still be Burtons at Oakamoor, East Wall Farm.
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There was a Clifford Burton born in 1904, Cheadle, mmn Critchlow, possible marriage of parents
Marriages March quarter 1893
William Burton Cheadle
Jane Critchlow Cheadle
Clifford Burton, born 22nd June, 1904, died age 78 in September quarter 1982 in Staffordshire Moorlands
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Clifford was living at Furnace Farm, Greendale, Oakamoor on probate information.
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https://heritagerecords.nationaltrust.org.uk/HBSMR/MonRecord.aspx?uid=MNA142502
http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/files/52568_Oakamoor.pdf
http://www.grahamwatkins.co.uk/uploads/events/files/270_0_catalogue.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/ladffa/photos/gm.974562385954765/1243269605689285/?type=3&theater
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Thank you for all your help .Details from birth cert address is 6 Burberry Street sub District All Saints, where Martha was living with other children by Arnold.
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chempat this is all very exciting... will try and look at this later.Is the farm now in Nation Trust hands?
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The farm estate now appears to be in National Trust hands.
How sure are you that the information you have been told is accurate?
If your informant knew who the father was, then why was not the correct father recorded by Eric on the marriage certificate?
Or is it just rumours and not actual fact?
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I do believe it. Eric was known as Handley like his half brothers and sisters and put their Dad’s name on the wedding cert. as deceased.I think this was easier and kept the secret. He was always very quiet about his family.
I don’t know if his wife knew.
Marytm.