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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: islay 1 on Sunday 18 March 18 14:07 GMT (UK)
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Please could someone kindly help me in my search? I have an ancestor called John Cameron,who in the 1841 census, writes that he was born in Strontian Argyll in 1828. His father was also John Cameron and his mother Kett.
Is Kett a family name for Katherine? His father was a leadminer. There is an unreadable(to me!)address given as Glasbhil. Is there a place called that? Could that be Glash-something? There are brothers Ewen, Donald, and Alex, and sisters Ann and Mary showing on the census. Is there anyway of finding the maiden name of Kett using her children's births?
So many questions, sorry! Any help would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Islay
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Kett/Ketty/Kettrin/Katherine - given name.
To search SP type Cameron in the surname then down at the bottom father John mother Ket
It will bring up all the "recorded" baptisms.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400146 top left under where it says Inverness is where you want to look.
Don
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Or you can look up marriage or death records for the family to get the parents names ...
Do you not have a death record for your ancestor John Cameron ?
Rosie
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Thank you both for such prompt replies.
I have no certificates, birth, marriage or death for any of these people. There is no death certificate for John Cameron as he and his family disappear off then face of the earth as far as I can see! I cannot trace him, his wife or children after the 1881 census where they are in Ayrshire and he is an iron miner there. Indeed, I would love to know where they went! However, assuming they emigrated,(?) and that is why I have no death details, I am so keen to know at least the start of their story.
Could the Glasbhil be a misreading of an address or is it a place name? I will look at the map Don has suggested with great interest. Wow! I have just done so. I see lead mines very near Strontian. Would Strontian have been a village?
Thank you both, best wishes, Islay
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Yes Strontian was a village and associated with the mines. Google will give you the history.
Don
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As Don suggested try Google ...Is this the family you are referring to on the 1881 Census ?
Address 234 First Row Auckinleck Ayrshire
John Cameron age 55 born abt Morven Argylshire Iron Miner
Agnes Cameron age 53 born abt Newlands Peebleshire
Thomas Cameron age 18 born abt 1863 Auckinleck Ayrshire
Agnes Cameron age 16 born abt 1865 Auckinleck Ayrshire
Rosie
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Yes, this is indeed the family and the last I can find about them.
Have been on SP for ages, but with no luck. I will try Don's suggestion of google
Many thanks for the interest, best wishes, Islay
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There is a possibility this could be the death record of daughter Agnes Cameron although the birth
Is out by a year
Agnes George age 62 died 11 May 1926 Sharon Mercer Pennsylvania
Birth date 28 January 1864 Scotland
Father John Cameron
Mother Agnes Cameron
Spouse Thomas George
Might be worth checking out www.familysearch.org or Ancestry
Rosie
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John Cameron married Agnes Cairns (from Thomas' birth June 26, 1862)
Daughter Agnes b Jan 28, 1865 and as a bonus John/Agnes were married in Peebles in 1852.
Don
Edit: They were married 16 May 1852 Innerleithen, Peebleshire
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Thank you so very very much. Lots more research for me tomorrow! Thank you again for your time. Best wishes, Islay
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@ Islay, there's a hill called Drum Glas between the Old & the New Belsgrove mines in Strontian.
Skoosh.
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Skoosh, how interesting. It may explain the address of Glasbhil as Glas hill. Suddenly history seems so real! Thank you, Islay.
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Further research, Skoosh, shows that in the early 1800s, Glas...(various other letters) was owned, or at least worked, by a family called Cameron! How interesting for me. Thank you. Islay
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Sounds like it Islay, isolated houses were often called after nearby hill or burn. I think it's Clash Gorm you're after, here's a couple of links for you,
www.moidart.org.uk/datasets/strontianmine.htm
www.rock-site.co.uk/cms.php?id_cms=10
heritageardnamurchan.co.uk/the-landlords/
Skoosh.
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Thank you so much for these links. I have looked at them already, and they are most interesting. I am really grateful for your interest and time. Best wishes, Islay
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Islay how sure are you that this is your family on the 1841 Census ? ..Where do you fit in with the family of John and Agnes ?
Rosie
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Hallo Rosie,
Thank you for your interest. Are you in doubt about this family? Have I gone wrong somewhere? It is quite possible!
The link with me is that my mother lived with her grandparents in Ayr as a child, and her grandmother, my g.grandmother, was the daughter of John and Agnes. They are certainly the family living in Auchinlech, in the 1881 census, and also on the 1871 census, where John is an iron miner, and I used the other names on the 1871 census to see the names of John's brothers Ewen and Alex, their place of birth, and I can only find one family in Morven whose names and dates and occupation seem to fit.
What a great mystery this family history is! Any help would be hratefully appreciated, best wishes, Islay
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Hi Islay ...The reason I asked was this the right family was because you don't have any certificates to prove who the parents were of John Cameron ...Just wondered as there seems to be a lot of Cameron's in that area ...I see you have been searching on this family for some time now from previous posts I don't doubt this is your John on the 1881---1861 census in Auchinleck Ayrshire ..Just hard trying to find records of John and Agnes after that ....Will have another look and see if I can find anything :)
Rosie
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Thank you, Rosie, for your time and interest. I am at a dead end with this trail, I think!
I agree, there were a lot of Camerons in that area, and also a lot of ket/ketty/katrine/katherines one of whom who may be the mother of John, named as Kett in one census.
I wish you lots more good luck than I have had! Thank you again, best wishes, Islay
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Hi Islay
I also have traced ancestors to Glasbhil in the 1841 census, my great great great grandparents Samuel and Christina Macdonald. Glasbhil was a very small settlement on the other side of Loch Sunart from Strontian, right beside a place called Liddesdale which you can still find on Google Maps. There were several small villages there during the mid to late 1800s, at the centre of a lead mining industry. My ancestor Samuel was an agricultural labourer, and later a farmer elsewhere. I'm no Gaelic expert but Glasbhil can alternatively be spelt Glac Sabhail, which roughly translates as 'barn in the glen' - so presumably there were some farms next to the mines. The Gaelic college on Skye is called Sabhal Mor Ostaig - the great barn of Ostaig. The area is very much Cameron and Macdonald country. Good luck in your search. Iain.
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Hi Iain,
How very kind of you to take the time to write what you did. Thank you very much, I found it most interesting. I have looked on an old map of the area, but the translation of a barn in the glen is something I had never heard of. We shall be up on holiday in the summer and visiting the area.....thank you for narrowing down our search to very near Liddesdale.
Good luck in your own research. This family history gets addictive! Best wishes,
Islay