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Can anyone please translate the following?: Memor amictiae Maria Rev W Curteis. Vidnec que obt An AET 69AD 1853 hanc fenef (e) ornavit Rev I P Alcrick MA hujus eccl vic
Thanks in anticipation
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This may not help but it's what google translate came up with.
Rev. Mary W CURTEIS friends of memory. An aet 69AD Vidnec that law in 1853 that fenef (c) Re 1 P Alcrick MA tired of church Vic
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Thank you. I had tried Google translate! but didnt make too much sense.
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I think that the first bit is an invocation or prayer to the Virgin Mary. As in "Erected to the glory of God AND to the memory of ..." that we often see on stained glass windows.
Regards
Chas
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Many Latin inscriptions contain abbreviations; without context, they can be difficult to translate. For instance, the "obt" in the phrase "vidnec que obt" could stand for: obtemporo, obtero, obtestor, obtenio or obtutus. I found all these words on a website called latintranslation.school. My guess is that you are going to have to try and determine what is abbreviated, what word the abbreviation could stand for, and what words make sense together within the context of the transcription.
P.S. My grandfather used to teach Greek and Latin, but it's a long time ago now. I think you may have inspired an urge to learn it.
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Memor amictiae Maria - roughly "In memory of friends of Mary", or "A memorial to the friends of Mary".
Regards
Chas
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Thank you all for your replies.
These words were on a copy of Monumental Inscriptions, so some food for thought from your replies. How I wish they had not used abbreviations !!!!
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"aet 69" = age 69. So the person was 69 at time of death in 1853.
There's a prayer to Our Lady which is known as the "Memorare" because it begins "Remember me". It's a plea for Mary's intercession when the soul of the deceased arrives at the place of judgement.
"Memor amictiae Maria Rev W Curteis." might be " Remember for/to the love of Mary, Rev. W. Curteis."
Are you sure it is "amictiae" and not anima(m/ae) which is soul?
"Rev. I. P. Alcrick MA hujus eccl vic" I think it means the monument was erected by Rev. Alcrick, incumbent of this/same church (?). "hujus" may be a variant spelling of another word; I can't remember alternative spelling. :-\ "eccl" and "vic" are probably abbreviations.
Caveat. This is from memory. I should buy a Latin dictionary.
Where is the inscription from?
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Thank you so much. I am doing transcribing for a FHS, they asked me to give the Latin a go, so I am trying to use any resource I can think of! I dont like to be beaten!!!
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"hujus" = this
eodem = same
ejusdem = of the same
I seen "hujus" written as "eijus" or it may have been "ejius" or "eius", hence my uncertainty previously.
I looked at some baptisms where I've seen examples. These are from a 1770s Catholic register in Lancashire:
"Die 10 Oct bap Infan marem 1 hujus mensis natum ....."
10th day of October (was) baptised child (......?) born 1st of this month .....
"Die 13 Dec bap Inf marem die natum eodem"
13th day of December (was) baptised child (......?) born on the same day....
"Die 10 Feb bap Inf marem die 5 ejusdem mensis et anni natum ........"
10th day of February (was) baptised child (.......?) born 5th day of same month and year....."
I can't make sense of "marem". They can't all have been born at sea/ baptised with seawater/ in the sea/child of a sailor/plucked from the sea. Church was several miles inland. Baptisms of babies of my ancestors have dates, child's name, parents and godparents' names, so straightforward. Forms of entries changed with the priest. As you can see from these examples words were frequently abbreviated as janestar said. E.g. "conj" for conjugam (married). "bap" might have several endings depending on the sentence.
I should have looked up some burials as well.
FindMyPast has a useful guide to common Latin words.
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Thank you again for all the help
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Can anyone please translate the following?: Memor amictiae Maria Rev W Curteis. Vidnec que obt An AET 69AD 1853 hanc fenef (e) ornavit Rev I P Alcrick MA hujus eccl vic
I'm afraid some of the words above have been mistranscribed. An accurate translation isn't possible without seeing the original Latin, so can you please post an image of the source that you're working from?
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Meanwhile, here is some guesswork, just to supplement the posts above:
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Memor(ia) amicitie Mariae, Rev. W. Curteis viduae, que ob(ij)t an(no) aet(atis) 69, AD 1853, hanc fene(stram) ornavit Rev. J. P. Alcock(?) MA, hujus eccl(esiae) vic(arius)
In memory of the friendship of Mary, widow of the Rev. W. Curteis, who died aged 69 in the year of the Lord 1853, the Rev. J. P. Alcock(?) MA, vicar of this church, decorated this window.
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Also, if you could tell us the parish, we might be able to check the names.
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Looks like I wasn't far off. There are some clues here - see p. 79 ...
http://bit.ly/2G06x7Q
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It's probably John Price ALCOCK, as depicted here ...
http://www.asely.org.uk/TCEA/aimsobjectives.html
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https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/46273134/person/6508587497/media/26ea764c-c4f2-4152-a17e-f3e5b6878a4b?_phsrc=XZU1499&usePUBJs=true
I hope this works !!!
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Not for me, unfortunately. It's a private tree.
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Thats a shame, yes its my tree, sorry forgot it was private! Will try something else. Any ideas? I have saved it as a Word doc which would not upload and as a .jpeg and that wouldnt either! The original (well the copy of the original I have) is a .pdf file.
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The original (well the copy of the original I have) is a .pdf file.
Sorry, but unless you have an image of the original (not a transcript), I'm unlikely to be able to help further with the exact details of the Latin.
My suggestion in reply #11 is as close as I can get. It matches the data found elsewhere (see replies ##12 and 13).
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Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate the time you have given me.