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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 18:29 BST (UK)
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Can someone help me decipher the handwriting on the settlement document for my ancestor Elizabeth Madell?
This is what I have...
Page 353
Thursday 15 March 1855
Elizabeth Madell --Workhouse from
12 --- St Haggerston 13?
18 Maynard? St, ditto 2 yrs?
13 Henrietta? St Hackney Rd 2 yrs? 3 months?
I am 64 years of age ??? of Thomas ? to whom I was married in the -- --- of on 13 April 1811
Husband died in 1841 - he was never a housekeeper? [meaning?] ????
About 27 years ago - ? + 3 children were --- from St Stephen --- --- to Hackney.
Cannot read rest of text
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12 Martha Street Haggerston 13months
18 Margaret Street Haggerston (actually dittoes) 2years
13 Henrietta Street HAckney Rd 2 or 3 months
wo = widow of Thomas M to whom I was married in the parish church of Bethnal Green
He was never a housekeeper nor paid so much as 4/- (4 shillings) per week rent
I and 3 children were passed from St Stephen Coleman Street to Hackney
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Hey thanks for that.
Are you able to read the lower portion of the document? It's for the same person.
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What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?
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Hey thanks for that.
Are you able to read the lower portion of the document? It's for the same person.
Give me a chance! I'm working through it! And the phone rang in the middle!
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... then admitted into Hackney workhouse and remained there 6 or 7 weeks and has been sited? since.
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Last Paragraph:
About 27 years ago I and 3 children were passed from 8? Stephen Coleman Str to Hackney _ then admitted into Hackney Workhouse and remained there 6 or 7 weeks and has been riled? since.
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... then admitted into Hackney workhouse and remained there
Brilliant and thank you so much!
I can't find her husband anywhere. If he died in 1841 there is no burial record for him.
Also, my ancestor made it into a government list of inmates who had resided 5 or more years in a workhouse.
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3SillyDogs,
Thank you for your help.
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When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?
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What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?
I would imagine it means that he was never living somewhere rent free in exchange for housekeeping duties.
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When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?
No idea - but I would guess that she was under some sort of parish relief from St Stephens in Coleman Street, and passed from there to Hackney. But it is only a guess!
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The last part reads ...
... & remained there 6 or 7 weeks
and has been rel(iev)ed since.
F(riendly) O(rder) to Hackney
It was agreed 27 years earlier (when the family were removed from St Stephen Coleman Street) that they were chargeable to Hackney. So they are being removed again now to Hackney, under a ‘Friendly Order’, so that Hackney can take financial responsibility for them.
A ‘friendly order’ was an informal removal order agreed between two unions, avoiding the cost and delay of applying to a magistrate for a formal order.
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What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?
I would imagine it means that he was never living somewhere rent free in exchange for housekeeping duties.
It means that he never paid rates in Shoreditch. If he had done so, it might have given him settlement rights there.
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Thank you Bookbox for clearing up that abbreviation, first time I have seen it.
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When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?
No idea - but I would guess that she was under some sort of parish relief from St Stephens in Coleman Street, and passed from there to Hackney. But it is only a guess!
Another removal order. They were not relieved by St Stephen Coleman Street. They were 'passed' from there to Hackney, because their settlement was agreed to be in Hackney.
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Thank you Bookbox,
That information is very useful. I think Thomas Madell was a cooper. They had three kids in lived in the St. George-in-the-East parish for a while.