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Title: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 18:29 BST (UK)
Can someone help me decipher the handwriting on the settlement document for my ancestor Elizabeth Madell?

This is what I have...

Page 353

Thursday 15 March 1855

Elizabeth Madell --Workhouse from

12 --- St Haggerston 13?
18 Maynard? St, ditto 2 yrs?
13 Henrietta? St Hackney Rd 2 yrs? 3 months?

I am 64 years of age ??? of Thomas ? to whom I was married in the -- --- of on 13 April 1811

Husband died in 1841 - he was never a housekeeper? [meaning?] ????

About 27 years ago - ? + 3 children were --- from St Stephen --- --- to Hackney.

Cannot read rest of text
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 12 April 18 18:51 BST (UK)
12 Martha Street Haggerston     13months
18 Margaret Street   Haggerston (actually dittoes)  2years
13 Henrietta Street  HAckney Rd   2 or 3 months

wo = widow of Thomas M  to whom I was married in the parish church of Bethnal Green

He was never a housekeeper nor paid so much as 4/-  (4 shillings) per week rent

I and 3 children were passed from St Stephen Coleman Street to Hackney
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 18:59 BST (UK)
Hey thanks for that.

Are you able to read the lower portion of the document? It's for the same person.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 19:00 BST (UK)
What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?

Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 12 April 18 19:01 BST (UK)
Hey thanks for that.

Are you able to read the lower portion of the document? It's for the same person.

Give me a chance!  I'm working through it!   And the phone rang in the middle!
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 12 April 18 19:02 BST (UK)
... then admitted into Hackney workhouse and remained there 6 or 7 weeks and has been sited?  since.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: 3sillydogs on Thursday 12 April 18 19:03 BST (UK)
Last Paragraph:

About 27 years ago I and 3 children were passed from 8? Stephen Coleman Str to Hackney _ then admitted into Hackney Workhouse and remained there 6 or 7 weeks and has been riled? since.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 19:03 BST (UK)
... then admitted into Hackney workhouse and remained there


Brilliant and thank you so much!

I can't find her husband anywhere. If he died in 1841 there is no burial record for him.

Also, my ancestor made it into a government list of inmates who had resided 5 or more years in a workhouse.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 19:04 BST (UK)
3SillyDogs,

Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 19:05 BST (UK)
When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 12 April 18 19:05 BST (UK)
What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?

I would imagine it means that he was never living somewhere rent free in exchange for housekeeping duties.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 12 April 18 19:06 BST (UK)
When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?

No idea - but I would guess that she was under some sort of parish relief from St Stephens in Coleman Street, and passed from there to Hackney.  But it is only a guess!
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: Bookbox on Thursday 12 April 18 19:13 BST (UK)
The last part reads ...

... & remained there 6 or 7 weeks
and has been rel(iev)ed since.
     F(riendly) O(rder) to Hackney


It was agreed 27 years earlier (when the family were removed from St Stephen Coleman Street) that they were chargeable to Hackney. So they are being removed again now to Hackney, under a ‘Friendly Order’, so that Hackney can take financial responsibility for them.

A ‘friendly order’ was an informal removal order agreed between two unions, avoiding the cost and delay of applying to a magistrate for a formal order.

Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: Bookbox on Thursday 12 April 18 19:17 BST (UK)
What does it mean "he was never a housekeeper"?

I would imagine it means that he was never living somewhere rent free in exchange for housekeeping duties.

It means that he never paid rates in Shoreditch. If he had done so, it might have given him settlement rights there.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: 3sillydogs on Thursday 12 April 18 19:19 BST (UK)


Thank you Bookbox for clearing up that abbreviation, first time I have seen it.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: Bookbox on Thursday 12 April 18 19:21 BST (UK)
When she says "passed from" does this refer to another settlement order?

No idea - but I would guess that she was under some sort of parish relief from St Stephens in Coleman Street, and passed from there to Hackney.  But it is only a guess!

Another removal order. They were not relieved by St Stephen Coleman Street. They were 'passed' from there to Hackney, because their settlement was agreed to be in Hackney.
Title: Re: Need help reading Elizabeth Madell settlement order
Post by: drhewitt on Thursday 12 April 18 19:21 BST (UK)
Thank you Bookbox,

That information is very useful. I think Thomas Madell was a cooper. They had three kids in lived in the St. George-in-the-East parish for a while.