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Hi
I'm trying to trace my 5th grt grandparents James and Catherine Callaghan.
At somepoint they go to England and in 1841 are living in Loughborough, Leicestershire.
James Callaghan is listed as born abt 1811 Ireland and wife Catherine is listed as born abt 1820 Ireland.
James Occupation is a Licensed Hawker.
They have the following children living with them.
Mary Ann Callaghan born abt 1823 Ireland
David Callaghan born 1835 Ireland
James Callaghan born 1838 Ireland
Celia Callaghan born 1840 Loughborough, Leic, England (My 4th grt grandmother)
living with them also is a David Callaghan born abt 1811 Ireland (James brother?)
There is a census in 1871 for a David Callaghan born abt 1820 (James brother or son?) He lists his birthplace as Lancashire.
Unfortunately James I think dies in 1843 and no other census records can be found on the family so I don't have a chance to pinpoint if they listed a more specific location in Ireland.
On Daughter Celia's GRO record her mothers maiden name is given as Hilmartin/Kilmartin?
Any help appreciated.
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Hi
I'm trying to trace my 5th grt grandparents James and Catherine Callaghan.
At somepoint they go to England and in 1841 are living in Loughborough, Leicestershire.
James Callaghan is listed as born abt 1811 Ireland and wife Catherine is listed as born abt 1820
They have the following children living with them.
Mary Ann Callaghan born abt 1823 Ireland
David Callaghan born 1835 Ireland
James Callaghan born 1838 Ireland
Celia Callaghan born 1840 Loughborough, Leic, England (My 4th grt grandmother)
living with them also is a David Callaghan born abt 1811 Ireland (James brother?)
There is a census in 1871 for a David Callaghan born abt 1820 (James brother or son?) He lists his birthplace as Lancashire.
Unfortunately James I think dies in 1843 and no other census records can be found on the family so I don't have a chance to pinpoint if they listed a more specific location in Ireland.
On Daughter Celia's GRO record her mothers maiden name is given as Hilmartin/Kilmartin?
Any help appreciated.
Welcome to rootschat
Mary Anne Callaghan is more likely his sister or other relative. Her age is too close.
James is 12 years her senior and Catherine is only 3 years older
Be aware that the surname Callaghan may begin with O' in some Irish records.
Jfch
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792355.msg6485545
Linked thread
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In later census records Catherine birth date changes to 1810 and her birthdate on her burial record says abt 1815, So Mary Ann could possibly be a daughter if Catherine was born around 1810.
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Think I may have had a break through although not sure but I think I’ve found baptisms for children David and Mary Ann.
David Callaghan bapt 1833 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James Callaghan and Catherine (surname is left blank) what crucial and might link to what Celia writes on her marriage record for fathers occupation. And David’s bapt father James is listed as REVENUE POLICE.
And I have Mary Ann bapt 1832 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James and Catherine (Surnane blank again) James is listed as REVENUE POLICE again.
Mary is listed as born abt 1832 on 1841 census, I've accidentally wrote 1823 above.
I wonder if this is what Celia meant by her father being a ‘policeman’.
There are no other bapts in Roscommon for these two after 1833 so it looks promising to them coming to England although I still need to find James born around 1838 baptism.
But David and Mary Anns baptism are around the right ages and occupation fits.
I wonder if when coming to England the only work James could get was hawking, and Celia wrote policeman as that’s what his job was in Ireland and it sounds and looks better than hawker.
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Welcome to rootschat
Mary Anne Callaghan is more likely his sister or other relative. Her age is too close.
James is 12 years her senior and Catherine is only 3 years older
Be aware that the surname Callaghan may begin with O' in some Irish records.
Jfch
Mary Anne is 8yrs old in 1841 - born about 1833. Fenb0y made a mistake in post 1.
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Thank you Heywood, I realised that last night ;D
It seems 1841 also puts Catherines age out as well as later census gives it as abt 1810 and burial gives as 1815.
James burial gives him a birthdate of abt 1808.
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Just received Catherine’s marriage cert to Michael.
It seems she lists her father as ‘John Martin, Farmer’?
I assume Kilmartin and Martin are interchangeable?
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I would think so
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kilmartin
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Had a quick search on rootsireland and seeing as they bapt is 2 children in Roscommon and on Catherine’s burial her birthdate is given as 1815.
She could be the Catherine Marten bapt 20 Oct 1816 Elphin, Co.Roscommon.
Daughter of John Marten and unknown Gannon. Both witnesses are listed as unknown Gannon.
I notice this is Roman Catholic but James and Catherine’s children are bapt as Anglican in church of Ireland?
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Where did they marry?
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I havnt been able to find a marriage yet.
There are a few more bapts for John Martin and Margaret Gannon at Elphin, Roscommon. Residence listed as Ballyrody.
Same as Catherine’s baptism, so Margaret must be mother.
But I can see no record of a Martin etc marrying a Gannon.
2 witnesses on bapt of Eleanor Martin 1821 is a John Gannon and Catherine Gannon.
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Where did they marry?
In Church! ;D
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Where did they marry?
Has their Religion been established??
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Where did they marry?
In Church! ;D
Fancy that ::)
I can’t read the certificate properly and was hoping for a more precise place.
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Think I may have had a break through although not sure but I think I’ve found baptisms for children David and Mary Ann.
David Callaghan bapt 1833 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James Callaghan and Catherine (surname is left blank)
And I have Mary Ann bapt 1832 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James and Catherine (Surnane blank again) James is listed as REVENUE POLICE again.
So have you looked for a Marriage for them??
RC registers are online IF they were RC
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0548 BOYLE
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Where did they marry?
In Church! ;D
Fancy that ::)
I can’t read the certificate properly and was hoping for a more precise place.
The Image is for somewhere in Nottingham..... not very clear Image!!
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Ignore all that. I am totally lost now. I thought reply #7 was the couple we were looking for and just realised it is her second marriage.
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Yes, Catherine Martin/Kilmartin + James Callaghan.
James Dies 1843
Catherine marries 1844 Michael Flannagan.
On ancestry it lists place as Loughborough,Leic
And her abode as ‘The Rushes’
Which is where they were living on 1841
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I’ve had no luck in finding a marriage between James and Catherine in a Ireland.
Should be before 1833.
Possible bapt for Catherine is 1816 Elphin, Roscommon. Daughter of John Martin and Margaret Gannon. Residents of Ballyrody.
Waiting for David Callaghans cert to give me a possible father for James.
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Think I may have had a break through although not sure but I think I’ve found baptisms for children David and Mary Ann.
David Callaghan bapt 1833 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James Callaghan and Catherine (surname is left blank)
And I have Mary Ann bapt 1832 Boyle, Co.Roscommon, Ireland. Parents James and Catherine (Surnane blank again) James is listed as REVENUE POLICE again.
So have you looked for a Marriage for them??
RC registers are online IF they were RC
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0548 BOYLE
??
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Away from computer at the minute, I’ll look through them when I get home.
Hopefully they might through some light on the matter of marriage between James and Catherine :)
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Could be RC but would they marry catholic but baptise Anglican?
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Just had James’s possible brother David’s marriage cert arrive.
He lists his father as ‘James Callaghan (Deceased) and fathers occupation as ‘Soldier’
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Does David give a place of birth in any census?
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In 1841 living with James and family it is Ireland.
But in 1851/61/71 his birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire.
Birthdate ranges between 1802 to 1815
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Just had a look through the Boyle/Elphin records and can see no James Callaghan's marrying, might have married Anglican so not sure if all records are online.
I'm still missing a bapt record for James Callaghan born abt 1838 Ireland.
I've had no luck on FindMyPast/rootsireland/ancestry in finding a David Callaghan son of James fitting timeline.
There is a few discharge records for James Callaghans but nothing noting family.
I dont take much stock in other peoples trees on ancestry but I notice that one person has James's parents as a James Callaghan and Mary Byrnes. Only record I can find is a James Callighan bapt 8 Oct 1806 Navan, Co.Meath. With these two parents.
They also list siblings
Celia/Cecelia Callaghan born 1800 died 1844
Catherine Callaghan born 1804
David Callaghan born 1810
I can find no evidence of this other bapts and there are no sources linked to any of these children apart from david having what i already have on him.
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Hi. I am also researching the Callaghans. My Grandmother's maiden name was Callaghan, her father was John, son of David and and Mary Burt. I have not been able to find where they come from in Ireland and wondered if you had done any more research and updated information. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.