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Title: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 09:13 BST (UK)
Hi I have my Great grans Birth Certificate, and her dad reads John Thomas Gearing. This wasn't her  dad, but her mum put him down as her dad. I know this is my Great Gran's birth, because all her mum's former names match on the birth certificate.

My Great Gran was born in 1874, and John died in 1870, so he wasn't her dad.

When Jessie Gearing married James Measures in 1896, John wasn't the name on the wedding certificate, Henry Gearing a Cabinet maker was?.

John Thomas Gearing had a bother Henry, and I can't find some info on him, can anyone on here find anything for 1871?.

Jessie's mum Ann Witton was a widow so she was Ann Ashley when she married John Thomas Gearing in 1856.
Ann was Ann Witton, her dad William Witton a tailor where I've asked on here before if anyone can find her or her dad, but no one can  :(.

John and Henry's dad was

William Whinrey (Printer- Compositor) Gearing
BIRTH   1809 London
DEATH  1885 London

married to

Frances Clarke
BIRTH 1810  England
DEATH 1838  Clerkenwell, London

John Thomas Gearing Baptism is.

John Thomas Gearing
Baptism Date   26 Dec 1830
Baptism Place   Clerkenwell St James Islington, England
Father   William Whinrey Gearing
Mother   Frances Gearing

and brother Henry Gearing's is

Name   Henry Charles Gearing
Birth Date   6 Jun 1836
Baptism Date   24 Jul 1836
Baptism Place   St Giles in the Fields, Holborn Camden, England
Father   William Whinery Gearing
Mother   Frances Gearing


This shows they're brothers.

What I've found on Henry Charles Gearing.
 
Aged 5  Henry Gearing is staying with Ann and James Morten. Their child Elizabeth Morten, she is married to William Whinrey Gearing. There dad married twice.

1841 census reads
Henry Gearing
Age   5
Where born   Middlesex, England
Civil parish   Harrow On The Hill
James Morton   48
Ann Morton   45
Henry Gearing   5

in 1851

Henry Cllers Gearing
Age   14
Relation   Son
Father's Name   William W Gearing
Mother's Name   Elizabeth Gearing

1861 others have him married to Ann Frances Clarke aka Fanny.

Name   Henry Gearing
Age   24
Estimated Birth Year   1837
Relation   Head
Spouse's Name   Fanny Gearing

WHERE WAS HE IN 1871 around the time his brother died, and Jessie was born?

1881

Name   Harry Gearing
Age   44
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1837
Relationship to Head   Head
Spouse   Fanny Gearing


1891

Name   Henry C Gearing
Gender   Male
Age   54
Relationship   Head
Birth Year   1837
Spouse   Anne Frances Gearing

for info
Jessies mum Ann now Gearing in 1871 was a widow

Ann in 1871

Name   Age
Ellen Lynch   58  This wasn't her mum, its a census error.
Anne Gearing   34
Denis Lynch   21    Census error.
Emily Jane Gearing   8
Ann T Gearing   5
Mary A Gearing   2
Maria C Gearing   9 Months
Margaret Dixon   65   ??

Ann Gearing's other children were living with John and Henry dad, so the children were split up.

 1871 census where the children were split up.
Name   Age
William Whinrey Gearing   61
Elizabeth Gearing   55
Maria Gearing   28
Francis E Gearing   22
Mary S Gearing   15
Elizabeth A Gearing   10
Catherine M Gearing   6

Ann Witton, Ashley, Gearing went on to marry James Thackerrey, and in 1871 he was still married to his wife.

Can anyone find where Henry was in 1871?

Thank you, Jenny

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Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 30 April 18 10:17 BST (UK)
Where was Jessie Gearing on census in 1881/1891.   

According to Jessie's sisters marriage John Thomas's occupation was a cabinet maker.  It is possible that a father was just invented for Jessie's marriage, they often were  :-\
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 11:18 BST (UK)
I think it depends on what sister you pick, to what his occupation or what dads name it was.

On Ancestry message board there was a post looking for Mary Adelaide Gearing. B.1871 d 1854.

The lady put that it wasn't her birth, but Mary grow up thinking it was. On her wedding day she said her dad wasn't John wasn't her dad, but her birth certificate reads John. On her wedding, her dad was a Painter, and the lady wrote John's dad was a Printer, so where Painter was a error, and John was a Carpenter.

Emily her dad reads her husband fathers name, and on Sister Ann's her dad reads William Gearing not John or Henry.

John was a Carpenter, and Henry I think was a printer, but to rule him out i'm looking for the 1871 census to see where he was at this time?.

Jenny.





 
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 30 April 18 11:20 BST (UK)
Where was Jessie Gearing on census in 1881/1891.   

Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 13:11 BST (UK)
She wasn't born until 74
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 30 April 18 13:16 BST (UK)
She wasn't born until 74

If she was born '74 she should be on census '81 & '91

I am only asking as I can't see her and  I am a bit confused with your post (Sorry)
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Monday 30 April 18 14:14 BST (UK)
Please supply more details re Jessie's birth.  Registration district, full name, year/quarter, GRO reference, all details on birth certificate.

And can you answer Rosie, i.e. where was Jessie in 1881 and 1891.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Monday 30 April 18 14:20 BST (UK)
I can't see a Jessie Gearing born 1874, the only near one was born 1875 and her MMN is Morris.

GEARING, JESSIE       MORRIS     
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 146   
 
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 30 April 18 14:28 BST (UK)
There's a Mary Ann Gearing mmn Witton in 1874 Q1 Lambeth district 1d 409
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 30 April 18 14:30 BST (UK)
I can't see a Jessie Gearing born 1874, the only near one was born 1875 and her MMN is Morris.

GEARING, JESSIE       MORRIS     
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 146

she looks like d/o Edwin and Sarah
1881
Piece: 34 Folio: 18 Page Number: 34

added
she married Joseph Heaton in 1902
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 14:32 BST (UK)
Jessie Gearing was 20 when she married James Measures on 26 Jan 1896 (St Philip's, Lambeth).

Address of both parties: 99 Lower Kennington Lane.

Her father: Henry Gearing, cabinet maker.

Witnesses: William Miller, Caroline Measures.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 14:33 BST (UK)
Jessie Measures was 25 b Holborn in 1901 (Deptford): RG13/525/173/34.

Also in the household was James' mother in law Annie Thackeray, wid, 64, retired laundress b Westminster.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 30 April 18 14:39 BST (UK)
she keeps knocking a year off her age. ;D


Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 14:42 BST (UK)
Free search of 1939 suggests a possible birthdate of 1875.

Death reg which would correspond: Jessie Measures aged 64, Dec qtr 1939 Medway.

Moderator comment: edited for content. Free searches of the 1939 register at FindMyPast do not show exact birthdates
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 14:48 BST (UK)
Do you think this could be Jessie in 1891   347/12

James Thackeray 67 yrs
Ann Thackeray   50 yrs
Mary Thackeray   20 yrs
Jessica Thackeray 17 yrs paper sorter b Lambeth


Heywood
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 14:54 BST (UK)
Yes that looks promising.

The Ann Gearing marriage to James Thackerrey [sic] is Sep qtr 1877 Lambeth.

24 July 1877 at Lambeth Parish Church.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 30 April 18 14:59 BST (UK)
Thank you Heywood, that looks good  ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 30 April 18 15:03 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=776201.40

Maureen
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 15:09 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=776201.40

Maureen

Ah OK (thanks Maureen) - so that has all been gone over before.

"Jessie" was born 18 Jan 1874 and registered as Mary Ann Gearing.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 15:10 BST (UK)
Thank you Maureen. All this confusion ::)

From that thread

Thank you all so much, I ordered the certificate and its Jessie.

Thank you everyone, and Thank you so much Annette. xxxxx

Regards Jenny xxxxx :D :D :D :D :D :D


So presumably Jessie is Mary Ann, is she?

Sorry for the repetition  ::)

Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 30 April 18 15:11 BST (UK)
Thank you Maureen, much appreciated   ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 30 April 18 15:15 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D ;)

Maureen
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 15:35 BST (UK)
bsck to the post - Henry Gearing.

Marriage
St Clement Danes, Westminster 11th September 1859
Henry Charles Gearing and Ann Frances Murphy

1861 182/81/69
Henry is a Printer and Compositor with wife Fanny.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 15:41 BST (UK)
1881 591/15/71
Harry and Fanny Gearing
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Monday 30 April 18 15:48 BST (UK)
Thank you Maureen. All this confusion ::)

From that thread

Thank you all so much, I ordered the certificate and its Jessie.

Thank you everyone, and Thank you so much Annette. xxxxx

Regards Jenny xxxxx :D :D :D :D :D :D


So presumably Jessie is Mary Ann, is she?

Sorry for the repetition  ::)

It makes no sense to me, or at least it isn't clear!  Is Summer Days suggesting the birth certificate says Jessie Gearing even though the index has Mary Ann?  Or, is she saying she's decided it's the right certificate with first names Mary Ann, but Mary Ann then had a change of name to Jessie?
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 15:51 BST (UK)
The latter, I think.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Monday 30 April 18 16:05 BST (UK)
The latter, I think.

In that case it's very odd.  Mary Ann/Jessie had a sister named Mary Adelaide, why would a mother give two daughters the given name Mary, then later change one to Jessie!!!  Ah well, I'll not ponder over it for too long. 

Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: avm228 on Monday 30 April 18 16:08 BST (UK)
Reminds me of my search for g-grandmother "Florrie" - I hunted and hunted for a Florrie, Flora, Florence etc.

Then went to see my elderly great-aunt who said "Oh, of course she was officially Mary Ann because her father insisted on it, but always called Florrie because that was the name her mother wanted".

Of course  :D
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 18:54 BST (UK)
Hi I don't need Jessie, because I've found her. I'm now looking where was Henry in 1871 and Jessie wasn't born then.

Jenny
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 19:23 BST (UK)
heywood Yes she is Mary Ann Thank you it took two years to find her, and you found her on here. I've kept her as Jessie on my tree, because that's who she married and died as, but I've add a note on her page with her certificate. This site found her, so I was hoping you'd find her Granddad William Witton William was a tailor. Jessie mum was Ann Witton, Ann'd dad was William.

Sorry I didn't know everyone was looking for Jessie on this feed. xx

Jenny
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 19:28 BST (UK)
We do all kinds of searches to try to find geographical areas for people.

It is puzzling where Henry was in 1871- he seems to stay with his wife. Jessie may have invented her father and just used Henry’s name. :-\
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Monday 30 April 18 21:42 BST (UK)
heywood  I think Jessie had her name changed, because the sister between her and the next Mary had died, so mum had two children called Mary, if not its where her mum couldn't write?.

in 1881 Jessie goes under her Step dads name of Thackerrey, with sister Mary.

My family sure did change there names to confuse me.

Its odd Henry's not around in 1871? 

Thank you all for trying to find them all.

Jenny
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Monday 30 April 18 22:39 BST (UK)
I think this is Henry in 1871, his wife is using her first name Ann (her full name is Ann Frances)
Bloomsbury
RG10; Piece: 341; Folio: 53; Page: 42;

Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Monday 30 April 18 23:02 BST (UK)
What a great find   :)

They were well hidden - brilliant.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:02 BST (UK)
Hi libby9 I can't find it with what you've put above?
Where does Bloomsbury come from? Can you tell me what I need to input, and where I need to look to find it.

Thank you x
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:54 BST (UK)
Where are you looking?
On Ancestry he is transcribed as Henry Gearney.
I can’t find him on Family Search though.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 01 May 18 09:57 BST (UK)
Family Search - I was searching with the wrong year of birth  ::)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDX-PVQ

Henry Gearwy
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 10:30 BST (UK)
heywood Thank you everyone. xx

Thank you i've added the Henry census of 1871 to my tree.


Would anyone like to try and find Jessie's sister Mary Adelaide Gearing?. A lady on Ancestry that has now passed away was looking for Jessie's sister Mary. As you know Jessie is also Mary, but its best to keep her named as Jessie on here, with two children being called Mary.  Mary was Mary Adelaide Gearing.  Mary was Baptised on the 19 Jul 1868 at St Giles in the fields, Holborn  it reads her birth was the 26 Jun 1868.

On the Ladies posted Mary grew up thinking her birth was the 26 July 1871, she'd found her baptism , but no birth records.

Can anyone find Mary Adelaide Gearing's Birth records that I can order? I'd like to order it, and add it to my tree for this lady that was looking for Mary, now that I've found Jessie.


As your see I think the family had a thing about 1871 above  :) :) and you've got to agree I must have the hardest family to find  :) :) :) :) little by little you're all helping to find my family. xxx


Thank you everyone. xx
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 01 May 18 11:37 BST (UK)
Are you saying that Mary Adelaide survived childhood? Did she marry? Where do you have her in the censuses?
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 12:45 BST (UK)
Yes I've found out

Mary Adelaide Gearing
was born on the 26 Jun 1868 the address they were living at was 2 Smarts Building, St Giles, Holborn, London, England

She died in Dec 1954  at 1, Brunswick Villas, Brunswick Square, Camberwell, London.

She was married to Thomas Joseph Dickeson on the 26 Dec 1894 and she died as Dickeson.

Mary Adelaide was born, then a child called Maria Charlotte that was born 1870-D 1872  then Jessie, so the one between died leaving two Mary's living?

There mum Ann Witton, Ashley, Gearing, Thackerrey who we can't find died giving Mary Dickesons address. Ann Thackerrey (Witton's) Death certificate reads she died on the 21/01/1905 at the Camberwell, workhouse Gordon, rd, London. She gave the address of living with daughter Mary Adelaide Dickeson (re Gearing) at 47 Calor street Camberwell, London. Ann look's like she was a laundress worker working all her life in the workhouse, if that's any help.

There is a census of Jessie in 1891 with Mary on it, but they were under stepdads name. look up Jessica Thackeray 1891 St George the Martyr, London, England.

Also look up Mary A Gearing 1871 mother Ellen Lynch. This is a census error, and Mary's mum Ann is a widow where John Thomas Gearing had died in 1870. there is another census where Ann's other children are living with John's dad William Whinrey Gearing.

Also on The Ladies post on Ancestry she also wrote that when Mary Adelaide was getting married she said her dad wasn't her real dad, but no one asked her about it. 

Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 01 May 18 12:56 BST (UK)
Hi yes I had found a lot of this already, I realised afterwards.

We found them under stepdad’s name and the marriage of Ann and James earlier.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 13:04 BST (UK)
heywood My tree sure isn't easy  :) :) :) but i've found out so much with this sites in helping to find them.
Along the way I've also found a family member that had photos of Jessie and her husband, and what I think is there wedding, I can't name them on the photo, but going by age I think one is Ann Witton and James Thackerrey.  Its been good looking for them all.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 15:19 BST (UK)
Hi On Henry census 1871 can anyone read where they lived? I can't read what its saying.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 01 May 18 15:32 BST (UK)
I think it is Kingsgate Street

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/bloomsbury-project/streets/kingsgate_street.htm
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 17:29 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Tuesday 01 May 18 17:43 BST (UK)
In 1841 there is a William Witton 35yrs, with wife Rebecca 35yrs both born Middlesex, living Raven St, Whitechapel.  The image isn't too clear and occupation of William not easy to read, however it is slightly easier on FindMyPast than Ancestry and looks like tailor (especially when compared with others on the page who are tailors.  The couple don't have any children with them.  I've not looked for them yet on later census.
HO107; 716/1/8/9.

Ancestry has indexed the surname WELTER, FindMyPast WITTON
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Tuesday 01 May 18 18:01 BST (UK)
The 1841 couple are unlikely to be yours as William is still around in 1851 with Rebecca (no children)
HO107; PN1547; F 402; P 48
William WETTON, 48, tailor, St George, Middlesex; Rebecca WETTON, 48, Rotherhithe, Surrey
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 20:39 BST (UK)
libby9 Thank you for looking for him.

I don't know if its any help, but on ancestry others marry a James Mackbright b 1765 d 1816 to a Catherine ''Kitty'' Truelove  from Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, England B 1767 D 1855 then she married a William Witton b 1767 d 1841

I thought was this William, but the dates don't add up if this was his birth year.

In playing about with my tree and wondered if Kitty aka Catherine b 1767 d 1855 married James Mackbright and they had two children called Ann   :) :) yes two the same?.

 I found a Ann baptised on the 10 Dec 1803 at The Great Meeting Independent,Newport Pagnell,Buckingham.

I also found a Ann Baptised on the 25 June 1811 at the same place of The Great Meeting Independent,Newport Pagnell,Buckingham.

did they have two children, and one then one became known as Catherine that married William Witton?

look at the census 1851 of Ann Wittin's  sister  Sarah Purdy b 1828  married to Robert Purdy her mum reads Catherine under a name of hope, and comes from Pagnell

Was the children Ann witton and Charles William?

I feel that Pagnell might play a part in this, but it still doesn't help find William Witton.

all shots in the dark.

sorry if i've confused you.





Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Tuesday 01 May 18 22:35 BST (UK)
Quote
look at the census 1851 of Ann Wittin's  sister  Sarah Purdy b 1828  married to Robert Purdy

Sorry, but I don't understand the above, how do you know Sarah Purdy is Ann Wittin's sister?
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Tuesday 01 May 18 23:06 BST (UK)
That got my thinking.
The wedding of Ann Witton to Charles Ashley in 1853
I wrote this on my notes of her first wedding. It reads Annie Married at the age of 19. Charles Ashley is 21. Ann Witton's Sister Sarah ''Purdy'' (Re Witton) was a Wittiness on Ann and Charles Ashley wedding certificate in 1853. Anns dad reads William Witton is a Tailor. 20 Hollen St, Soho,Westminster

Then you have Sarah, Mary and Charles William all lived at Church street on there weddings, and the name Purdy signs a lot of the certificate as if William Witton isn't around. I thought it all linked to her being there sister, and Ann and William are on the census as well.

the wedding of Ann Ashley to John Thomas Gearing in 1856
Ann's dad reads William Witton a tailor in 1856. It reads Anns dad William Witton is deceased on wedding certificate. The name Mary ''Purdy'' is a witness to the marriage of John Thomas Gearing (Bachelor) wedding to Ann Ashley Widow(re Witton).





Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Wednesday 02 May 18 01:47 BST (UK)
On sarah Witton's marriage certificate her father is named Charles William Witton a tailor.  If Sarah and Ann are sisters, then perhaps their father's first name is Charles, not William,
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Wednesday 02 May 18 02:47 BST (UK)
For reference

1851, St John Westminster, HO107; Piece: 1479; Folio: 20; Page: 32
Robert Purdy    22
Sarah Purdy    24, St John, Westminster
Robert Purdy    3
Catherine Hope    51, mother in law, widow, Newport Pagnell
William Hope    17, brother in law, St John, Westminster
Anne Hope    15, sister in law, St John, Westminster

Robert Purdy (indexed Pardy) Sarah Witton (father charles William Witton a tailor)
12 Jan 1846, St John the Evangelist, Lambeth

Charles Ashley, Ann Witton 19yrs (father William Witton a tailor) witnesses Sarah Purdy and R Purdy. Oct 10, 1853, St Anne, Soho

John Thompson, Mary Witton (father William Witton, deceased a tailor),  A witness was Robert Purdy.  10 Sep 1849, St Mary, Lambeth

So, if Catherine Hope is the mother of Sarah, William and Ann, we need to find her marriage to a Mr Hope.  And if Ann's father is Witton, then Catherine must have married Mr Hope after 1835/6 approx birth year of Ann.  Sarah's marriage certificate doesn't state father deceased, but that doesn't mean a lot as often when father's are deceased it's not entered.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 May 18 07:39 BST (UK)
There is this in 1841 738/35/20

Smiths Rents, Westminster

Catherine Hope 40 yrs Washer (or Worker  ???) not born in county
Wm Hope 9 yrs born in county

Over the page
Maria Bootsy 20 yrs not born in county (I think that is what it says)

No Ann :-\
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Wednesday 02 May 18 10:45 BST (UK)
heywood where were they born out of interest ?

My Aunt once said to me when I was about 14 we were Spanish Gypsy's, then one day I said it back to her, and she snapped saying no we wasn't Gypsy's.
Then they said we were Irish, but other then Gearing's marrying someone I've found no Irish. 
Someone asked in the family once was we Travelers, but the only thing I can think of is they traveled from London to Kent for work, and maybe they felt like travelers. The Measures only lived around Southwick ?. Maybe where James Measures married Jessie Gearing and her mum being Ann Witton maybe the Witton's were ?

We're white, but if you look at my Gran and her sister measures photos there is something about them that makes me think there could be something in there blood?, maybe i'm wrong, and it was just the times they were living. We all used to tan well in the sun, and when my dad was born his hair was so black they nicknamed him Rook after a Rook bird, and where they did all tan well, so maybe that's why they said its the Spanish in us?. Why didn't they talk about things back then. That's why when you hit onto Charles William Witton B abt 1826 (maybe Ann Witton's brother) married in bycullah, Bombay, Maharashtra, India it made me wonder does there dad William Witton have Indian links?.On google there is a story of a David William Witton 1788-1856 being a merchant could he be linked?
All just thoughts.

I don't know where you all find this information, I only have UK subs, but its not because I don't want to pay, its because just looking on Ireland site i'm lost, so I wouldn't have a clue on worldwide, but I'll order anything anyone finds in the hope of finding them.

If that hope Census isn't Sarah's mum, maybe William Witton was old and there could be something in the wedding to Catherine Mackbright in 1816 at Newport-Pagnell, Buckingham ?.

that's why I kept the Hope census,because of the Newport link.

I built up in my head that William must have died young, and gran from Newport looked after Ann and William, but maybe she didn't?

If you want I can put on here all the things I've saved on William Wittons wall, they may have nothing to do with him, but you might see something I can't, because I haven't got clue  :) :) :) but I've saved things just in case.

Also on my tree I have a Vera M Purdy married a Geoffrey Witton in 1922, I was going to order this wedding to see if I can find her Vera Purdy family, to see if she joins my Purdy family, before I order the certificate  can anyone find her birth? I couldn't. Vera married the David William Witton's family the merchant.  I hooked my William onto David William thinking he is part of my family.
If I can hook vera purdy's side onto my Purdy tree, I can then cut my William from the David William tree, but with them still being linked.
I don't want to cut all the Wittons off in case they end up being part of my William's family.
Hope you understand what i'm on about?




Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 May 18 10:53 BST (UK)
1841 just shows whether people were born in or out of county.

You mention Charles William Witton - I don’t know about India or have not noted it, sorry.

19th June 1860
Charles William Witton widower to Susan Norman -Father William, Tailor

5th June 1870
Charles William Witton widower to Mary Ann Fleming father William, Tailor deceased.

He was an Ostler in 1860 and a Carpenter in 1870  :-\
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 02 May 18 11:10 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood,

The Indian connection was in this chat http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791827.0
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Wednesday 02 May 18 12:59 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood,

The Indian connection was in this chat http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791827.0

Looking at the thread on the above link I see Ann Gearing's mother is with Ann in 1861 and is entered as Kate Witton, widow.  Why was she HOPE in 1851 and then Witton in 1861!!!!
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Wednesday 02 May 18 13:10 BST (UK)
 I have lots of pieces of a puzzle, some may fit, and others are not mine.
This is why I need all your help in solving it  :) :) :) I've tried and I can't work it out  :(
 
When Sarah Witton married in 1846 to Robert Purdy B 1824 she lived at Church Street. Dad William Witton is a Tailor it doesn't read he'd died? and his name was Charles William Witton on the certificate? Was he Charles William known as William? or was this a error, or was this Sarah's brothers name?
M Purdy was a wittiness, I can't read the other name?.
Roberts mum was Maria Hingley married in 1823 to Robert Purdy. Was she the M Purdy that signed?

When Mary Witton  married in 1849 to John Thompson she lives at Church Street. Dad William Witton is a tailor it reads he'd died. A wittiness was Robert Purdy.

Ann Witton  married Charles Ashley in 1853 Dad William was a Tailor it doesn't read he'd died?
The wittiness reads R Purdy and the cross of Sarah Purdy, Sarah would be Ann's sister.


When Charles William married in 1860 to Susan Norman he lived at Church Street. Dad William Witton a Tailor doesn't show his dad had died, but he had in 1849 on sister Mary's wedding.
the Wittiness were R Purdy and the X of Mary Purdy his sister now married?.

All three sisters look like they couldn't write, but brother Charles could write.

All these links are why I think Ann is there sister.

Dad William doesn't sign any of these certificates,as if he wasn't around, or had died?

On the David William Witton Merchant story on google to reads he lived at Church Street was this the same Church street? or any link?.

 
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 02 May 18 19:45 BST (UK)
I haven’t found David William Witton the merchant living in Church street at all.
His business was in Fenchurch Street.
In the 1830s at baptism of children he’s in Crosby Place
In 1843 Highbury place
1845 Claremont terrace
In 1851 he’s in Jamaica Place
Then he moves out to Richmond, Surrey
None of these are Church Street


The will of Joseph his father is online.  No indication that there is any connection with your Witton.


Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Wednesday 02 May 18 22:39 BST (UK)
I've never sure if i can add a link on here or not.
Look on google
David William Witton 1788-1856 sue young Histories
Her post reads Church Street
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 02 May 18 22:55 BST (UK)
That address is Edmonton though not Lambeth.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: libby9 on Wednesday 02 May 18 22:56 BST (UK)
I've never sure if i can add a link on here or not.
Look on google
David William Witton 1788-1856 sue young Histories
Her post reads Church Street

David William Witton lived at Church St Edmonton, your Witton's lived Church St Lambeth which is the other side of the river and nowhere near Edmonton.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Thursday 03 May 18 08:58 BST (UK)
ok thank you for that, I didn't know they were different places.

I've ordered the wedding certificate of Vera M Purdy to Geoffrey Witton in 1922.

Geoffery follows up the line of David William, so i'm hoping that Vera might link to the  Purdy's on my tree?, Then I can cut my William off David Williams family.

I can't find a Vera M Purdy birth, so I'm hoping to find something on the wedding certificate. 
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Thursday 03 May 18 09:21 BST (UK)
Here is a possibility for Vera - living in Wandsworth which is the right area

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5R-RDG

Vera M Purdy b 1902 Fulham

Possible Marriage for parents
George Charles Purdy and Maud Corbett are on the same page

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26SJ-RHN

Perhaps in 1901 George and Maud Purdy

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XM-7BL
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Thursday 03 May 18 09:28 BST (UK)
wow thank you, I don't know where you all find these.
I've got the certificate ordered, but i've got the above to be working on, to see if they join up.

Thank you all for your help in trying to find my family xxx
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Thursday 03 May 18 18:35 BST (UK)
 Hi Can you find anything on George Charles Purdy? he died giving the address of 7 May 1907 he lived at  ''Carpenters Arms'' 91 Black Lane, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England when he died.
I just next that next mum and dad to see where it takes me.
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: heywood on Thursday 03 May 18 18:46 BST (UK)
I gave you the 1901 link which gives you a place of birth.

Here is his birth reference, christening and a couple of censuses.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m06/
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Friday 04 May 18 00:01 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: Can anyone find anything on Henry Charles Gearing B. 1836-D. 1891
Post by: summer days on Friday 04 May 18 09:00 BST (UK)
Hi can anyone find anything on a Robert David Purdy  he married a Maria Hingley (Spelt Kingley as well) in 1823

They had a child called Robert Purdy B 1824 that married Sarah Witton in 1846.
Robert B 1824 also married Eliza Newberry in 1865.

Dad Robert David on the son Roberts wedding to Sarah reads Dad Robert David Purdy is a Smith (Blacksmith?)

I'd like to see if anyone can find Robert David Purdy parents, and if Robert B 1824 had any brothers or sisters.

I've only got Robert as there child.

Thank you