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I am looking for Eliza Jane Constant in the Monmouthshire 1861 census.
She was born in 1847 in Gravesend
It may be age 15 & 1846 on the census
Any help much appreciated
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there is a 15 year old Eliza Constant working as a servant in Newland, Mon for the family of John H Dighton JP, but her place of birth is Clearwell, Glos. RG9/3980 folio 86 pg 1.
Where did you think she might be? There are parts of Monmouthshire missing from the 1861.
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There are numerous trees on ancestry having her living in Scotland and marrying Alexander Forbes.
They have her parents as David Constant and Mary Lyon(?) and this census entry
1851
Civil parish Cullen Banffshire
Address - Seatown
ED 4b Page 14
Alexander Lyon 51
Helen Lyon 51
Eliza Lyon 28
Eliza Constant 4 Relationship Great Grandchild born Graverend, England
Ann Smith 18
Is this your Eliza?
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Are you sure abot the name - I can;t see an Eliza Jane Constant registered as b in the area c1848, but there is an Emily Jane
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Are you sure abot the name - I can;t see an Eliza Jane Constant registered as b in the area c1848, but there is an Emily Jane
Good find. I was working my way through it, you saved me the trouble. :)
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If it is Emily Jane Kate Constant mmn Keeling then in 1871 she is with Alexander Keeling and family, his niece.
In 1861 there is an Emily Constant age 12 born Wilton Kent, visitor, with Jane smith and family. There is also an Alfred Keeling age 8, grandson.
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There are numerous trees on ancestry having her living in Scotland and marrying Alexander Forbes.
They have her parents as David Constant and Mary Lyon(?) and this census entry
1851
Civil parish Cullen Banffshire
Address - Seatown
ED 4b Page 14
Alexander Lyon 51
Helen Lyon 51
Eliza Lyon 28
Eliza Constant 4 Relationship Great Grandchild born Graverend, England
Ann Smith 18
Is this your Eliza?
There is this birth entry on GRO indexes mmn left blank -
LYON, ELIZA JANE -
1847 J Quarter in GRAVESEND AND MILTON Volume 05 Page 182
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Hi
A flurry of replies 😄
Alexander Forbes married Eliza Jane Constant in 1866 and I am confident from then with info from my grandma.
The problem is Eliza's parents
Eliza was born in 1847 in Gravesend to Mary Lyon. I have the birth certificate. When Eliza married/ died her mother was Mary Constant & her father David Constant. I can find nothing on Mary whatsoever. There is no record in Scotland. David died in 1855 ages 33 IF I have the right man.
Crispness & Ladyhawke have located my people 👌
The Monmouth Eliza isn't mine
There is just no record of David and Mary marrying or indeed Mary being born!!
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Again a tree on ancestry -
Mary Lyon
Birth 1822 Cullen, Scotland
Death 1 August 1876 • Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire
They have Mary marrying a William Murrison 8 Dec 1848 at Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen.
I can see half a dozen parish records for Mary Lyon 1818 - 1825 but none in Bannf
1841
Grant Street, Cullen, Bannfshire
James Allan 40
Elspeth Allan 45
Isabella Allan 30
John Allan 17
George Allan 16
William Allan 14
Alexander Allan 10
Ann Allan 8
Mary Lyon 15 born Scotland
is this the David Constant you have records for?
1851
Ann Constant 60
David Constant 29 born gravesend
David Pankhurst 10
Mary married as Lyon. This marriage record may be interesting. She was back in Scotland 12 months after Eliza's birth.
Mary Lyon and William Murrison
FR8138
8/12/1848
168/A 310 312 Aberdeen
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The problem is Eliza's parents
Eliza was born in 1847 in Gravesend to Mary Lyon. I have the birth certificate.
Did Mary register the birth?
What was her occupation?
What address was on the b/c?
Might be of some help with the finding Mary on 1841/1851
There is a Mary Constant age 20 Dartford Kent servant on 1851 census but noted as U (unmarried)
HO107; Piece: 1587; Folio: 131; Page: 1
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Hi Ladyhawke
Yes it was Mary Lyon who registered her daughter's birth.
At that time she was residing at 4 1/2 Princes Street, Gravesend. Eliza was also born at this address.
Mary was in domestic service
That could be my Mary in the census but it would make her younger than thought. Nothing with this particular woman would surprise me!
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Hi Crisane
I Will have a look at Mary marrying Wm Murrison. It may be that the grandparents looked after Eliza.
Yes that is my David Constant in the 1851 census. He died in 1855
Thank you for the help
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Hi Crisane
I have Mary in the 1851 census with her sister in Fraserburgh. They
Mary states she is married but still goes by the name Lyon. They both live & work with a grocer spirit retailer
Now the strange bit... William Murison was visiting as was his son Alexander aged 1!!
Dare I hope that things are becoming clearer!!