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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: smiddykilry on Tuesday 10 July 18 10:37 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for information on Helen's mother Elizabeth Drummond father David Elder Helen was born in 1854 at Crieff according to census records.
Regards Smid
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I could not find Helens birth record on SP but I note 2 trees on A….ty think that these are he parents below, although one thinks Ann is MacConnachie
DAVID ELDER married NN CONNACHER 30/12/1853 St Martins, Perth
Colin
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Hi Colin
Thanks for the reply, yes I have the 1861 census for that family in Forgandenny with Helen age 7 born Crieff but on her marriage record her parents are recorded as David Elder and Elizabeth Drummond I know its the same David on the census and her sister Ann is a witness at the marraige of Helen and William Turner. ???
Regards Smid
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Sorry, Helen Married William Turner 1878 Tibbermore :-[
Smid
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Sorry, Helen Married William Turner 1878 Tibbermore :-[
Smid
Was just going to ask where they were married as I could not find a marriage to a James Turner only the one for William Turner...Do you have the death certificate for Helen Taylor Elder other surname Turner 1915 Tibbermore Perthshire on SP to see if the same parents are mentioned
Rosie
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Hi
Looking for information on Helen's mother Elizabeth Drummond father David Elder Helen was born in 1854 at Crieff according to census records.
Regards Smid
Was her mother Elizabeth listed on the census for 1861..There is always a possibility she was illegitimate ???..Have you found her in 1871 census ?
Rosie
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I note the 1861 and subsequent census returns. Do you know where Helen was in 1871?
ELDER ANN 1861 29 1832 Dunning Perth
ELDER ANN 1861 1 Dunning Perth
ELDER HELEN 1861 7 Dunning Perth
ELDER JANET 1861 3 Dunning Perth
ELDER DAVID 1861 35 1826 Dunning Perth
1871 family in Tibbermore David 46 Ann 41 + 5 boys and Ann 11, no Helen.
1881/91/01 David 54/64/75 in Tibbermore + Boys, no Ann senior Ann junior or Helen
DAVID ELDER 82 death 1909 Perth?
No clear death for Ann?
Colin
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Found a Helen Elder born 1854 Perth Perthshire age 17 on the 1871 census address
3,South George Street St Andrews Angus working as a General domestic servant
Hard to say if this is her ?
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
I have Helen's death 1915 Tibbermore record parents recorded as David Elder Annie Grieg McConnachie informant son William.
Regards Smid
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A bit odd then ??? ..You would think on her marriage certificate she would have known who her parents were ...unless as I said she was illegitimate and her mother Elizabeth Drummond died
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
Yes I would have though that the marriage record would be right with her sister Ann Elder as a witness, The other though I had was that the 1854 birth date could be a fudge and maybe she was born a bit earlier before the marriage of David and Annie in 1853. So far I have not found a birth record for Helen or any info on Elizabeth Drummond in the Opr's or official records.
Regards Smid
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We would agree about the marriage being the right one ...wonder where the middle name of Taylor comes from ???..
Rosie