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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Graveyards and Gravestones => Topic started by: SuperFuzz on Sunday 05 August 18 08:58 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I don't know if anyone can help me but I am requesting a grave look up and a cremation look up.
I am trying to find where in Allerton Cemetery (Liverpool, UK), Ellen/Eleanor Page was buried. She was born 3rd Oct 1902 in Liverpool, and died on 24/12/1948 in Liverpool. I am not sure when she was buried but she would probably have been buried in the Catholic section of the cemetery.
For the cremation remains, I am not sure if there would be any record; and so don't know whether it would be possible to find the location. I am looking for my grandfather John Gostage Bibby (born 26th June 1929 in Liverpool), who died on 17th September 1976 in Liverpool, not sure when he was cremated, but his remains were put somewhere in an unmarked cremation area in Allerton.
Thanks so much if you can help!
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Hi
Most councils have a Cemeteries section
I did a request for a grave near where I live for someone on here a while ago.
I contacted the cemetery office through the website and they sent me the maps and plot number.Even gave directions to find the plot
Liverpool Council Cemetery division is here
https://liverpool.gov.uk/contact-us/service-area/cemeteries-and-crematoria/ (https://liverpool.gov.uk/contact-us/service-area/cemeteries-and-crematoria/)
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Oh they say I must pay, which is no problem but by postal order, so wouldn't find out the details before my trip next week. Is there any other way to find out?
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Hello
I have access to an incomplete listing of Allerton Cemetery inscriptions. There are several Pages buried in one grave in an RC section but no Ellen or Eleanor. I think you will have to try the council as advised above, or ask someone to look at the records in the central library.
I suspect it would be difficult to trace the site of cremated remains, unless in a known grave.
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Maybe worth giving them a call on 0151 233 3004 and asking for the cemeteries department
Explain what you hope to find and ask for assistance
They may email you back the info
worth a try if your time limit is close
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Hello
I have access to an incomplete listing of Allerton Cemetery inscriptions. There are several Pages buried in one grave in an RC section but no Ellen or Eleanor. I think you will have to try the council as advised above, or ask someone to look at the records in the central library.
I suspect it would be difficult to trace the site of cremated remains, unless in a known grave.
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She was born Helen/Helena, maybe she used that name? Her maiden name was Horobin.
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Sorry, no Horobin on the list I have. The four Pages listed as in one RC grave were John Thomas, Joseph, Josephine and Mary.
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She was born Helen/Helena, maybe she used that name? Her maiden name was Horobin.
She married as Ellen Horobin - see freebmd. No birth registration in 1902 or 1903
Didn't you check freebmd to see what name her death was registered under as that is the name she would be buried as
December qtr 1948 Ellen Page aged 45 Liverpool South 10d 489
As you have her exact death date and the cemetary I am surprised you have been asked to pay. I thought they only charged if they had to make a search
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Yes very annoying, sigh! Gonna miss out on finding her grave
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John Gostage Bibby (born 26th June 1929 in Liverpool), who died on 17th September 1976 in Liverpool, not sure when he was cremated, but his remains were put somewhere in an unmarked cremation area in Allerton.
Do you mean they were scattered? I'm not sure but I think it would be unusual for ashes to be buried in an unmarked grave. If the ashes were scattered officially by the crematorium they would have been scattered on one of a number of plots. Again - the staff would have the plot number on their database
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As you have her exact death date and the cemetary I am surprised you have been asked to pay. I thought they only charged if they had to make a search
They do have to search as they don't know how soon after death she was buried. In a busy cemetery that could mean searching many pages of the burial register. Then they have to find the relevant plot map and photocopy it. All this takes time away from their regular duties.
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My impression was that everything is now held on a database.
I made enquiries of the same nature last year at Carleton and Lytham cemetaries and was given the info over the phone as everything is on computer. Both were for dates long before 1976
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Not everything. Some cemeteries have digitised their historical registers but many have not and it is still necessary to consult the original register books.
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Hi, did your grandad John Bibby have a daughter called Pamela Louise Alice Bibby? Im trying to find a John Bibby on ancestry and John Gostage Bibby came up but i'm not sure if i have the correct person but i do know his wife's maiden name was page.