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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: Horsley2016 on Saturday 11 August 18 16:04 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
Why can't I find my Grandmother on the 1939 Census lists? I know 'around the time' she was living with her sister Annie in Birmingham somewhere but also went to work in Pwhelii (hotels / casual work) before returning to Liverpool to do war work. That bit's a little sketchy but her name is Primrose so I assumed (foolishly) I'd be able to find her! DOB 19.04.1923 Surname officially Owens but sometimes an Owen and she sometimes liked being called Rose.
I've looked at all the reasons why I can't find somebody on the official pages but I still don't understand why I can't find her!
Any experts out there? I've given myself a headache going through seemingly hundreds of listings on Ancestry! ::) :o
M
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what were her sister's details?
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Maybe her record has not be 'opened' - when did she die.
Is Owen(s) her maiden name as she would probably be showing under her married name
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If she was born 1923 that's less than 100 years so she may be "blacked out" - is she deceased?
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Hi,
It's actually the 1939 Register, not a census. It could be that her details are still redacted as she was born in 1924. I had to send proof to FindMyPast of my uncle's death (1953) as he was born 1920 and anyone born after 1917 is still hidden.....or should be. I guessed he was still living with his mother....and there he was. I think it took about a week from sending a scan of his death certificate until his details were opened.
Have you looked for older members of her family to see if she was with them?
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So was she Primrose Owens, mmn Brown, birth reg Jun qtr 1923 West Derby, and married in 1965 Liverpool to Arthur Riley?
Have you looked for her parents in 1939?
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Possible sister Annie born 1914
1917 :-\
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Dear all,
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate all your thoughts and advice on this. My Nan meant and means so much to me.
Rosie / Pauline - her sister Annie was born 24.01.1914 She married a Lawrence Pooley. I don't know how long they stayed in and around Birmingham for.
avm228 - She was 'that' Primrose Owens. Her parents were Alice Brown who married Samuel Arthur Owen who died in 1926. She then remarried to a John Thomas (known as Jack) Riley around 1928...(Alice is herself an enigma!)
I can track other members of the family to 7 Gregson Street in 1939...
nanny jan - interesting about the possibility her details are redacted. She died 13/02/2016. Annoyingly I can find very little 'official' about her despite her fairly unusual name except electoral registers.
Thank you!
M
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If she died as recently as 2016 then her 1939 entry is probably redacted.
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Annie (Pooley) and her husband should be easily traceable in 1939 - you’ll be able to see whether there are any redacted entries in their household. Had they had any children by 1939?
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Could it be that she was involved in War work ... two people I knew of, I simply couldn't find, and one was "doing war work" for most of the time, may even have been abroad some of the time?
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There are plenty of blacked out people at both the Riley & Pooley households, she could be any one of them.
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Annie (Pooley) and her husband should be easily traceable in 1939 - you’ll be able to see whether there are any redacted entries in their household. Had they had any children by 1939?
Actually it looks as though the Pooley couple had a son in Liverpool in 1935 who would account for a redacted entry in 1939. They also went on to have a daughter in Birmingham in 1940.
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There are plenty of blacked out people at both the Riley & Pooley households, she could be any one of them.
Just the one with the Pooleys, I think.
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There are plenty of blacked out people at both the Riley & Pooley households, she could be any one of them.
Just the one with the Pooleys, I think.
I agree ;D
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Thank you everyone.
How do I go about releasing the records? I have the death certificate, who do I apply to?
She was involved in war work - ROF in Kirkby (section 8 I think...?) Again, it's on my 'wish list' to find out more about this but I think I'm best starting with the basics as I wouldn't have a clue how to start with that!!! :D ::)
All of your time on this thread for me is very much appreciated. Thank you.
M
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I went through FindMyPast to release a record; done that a few times.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open
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The problem with asking to release trhe record is that you have to know exactly which of the redacted people she is.
If they have a few children ,you have no way of knowing if your nan is the 3rd (for example) of 4th if earlier ones are still at home or not. Research carefully to make sure you know which one she is.
I opened both my mum's records and 2 of my grandparents too.
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Hello I have come late to this thread.
The Pooleys are on the 1939 living in Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire.
The Rileys are on the 1939 living in Liverpool C.B., Lancashire.
Cheers
Guy
Moderator comment: edited for content. You may only post information from the 1939 that is available from a free search.
Not true I did not breach FindMyPast copyright by posting the information I gave. We have been through this a few years ago and I had assurances then that my postings would not be amended like this
You have made my posting totally irrelevant as you have even removed the hints I gave that pointed to the third persons name on the Pooley entry.
I am very annoyed that the assurances I was given by the forum owners have not been honoured.
Cheers
Guy