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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: kall on Tuesday 21 August 18 14:45 BST (UK)
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On 1851 census I have William Pender age 40 Coal Miner born Dumfries Old Patrick married to Elizabeth Dunbar born Kilsyth
On 1861 census Elizabeth is head of the family
I can’t find any record of a birth or death of William not even the 1841 census
Can anyone help please
Thankyou
1851 census they are in Cambusnethan
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On 1861 census Elizabeth is head of the family
Is she down as married or widowed?
When did they marry - can you find Elizabeth in 1841 and did she die as a widow?
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It just says head of family and yes she died a widow in 1888
Just bought the census and it says widowed in 1861
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Possible marriage Feb. 1847 New Monkland Lanark.
Was Elizabeth married to William Hay before that ?
ev
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Yes ev...that’s her...she was widowed twice
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On 1851 census I have William Pender age 40 Coal Miner born Dumfries Old Patrick married to
Have you checked the page as it's more likely to be Dunbartonshire. Old Kilpatrick than Dumfriesshire.
Gadget
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I bought the census from Scotlandspeople Gadget and it definitely says Dumfries Old
Patrick and it says his age is 40
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The reason that I'm suspicious of the PofB is that in 30 or so years of researching records in Dumfries and Galloway, I've not come across a place called Old Patrick. I did a search but couldn't find such a place so maybe I've missed it. The nearest that I can think of would be Portpatrick in Wigtownshire.
I see that the family were lodgers in 1851. Could the Household Head have misunderstood or poorly written William's birthplace. The enumerator would then have copied out in his book what was written or what he though was written. This would thus be third hand.
Just a thought.
Gadget
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I did wonder that myself Gadget...thought maybe accents were different....Dumfries is written first then Old Patrick after...did think it might be Portpatrick but I still am unable to find a birth or death. I also wondered if his age was wrong
I also can’t find him on the 1841 census
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I did a quick 'global' search but couldn't find anything that looked possible. Nearest in 1841 was an engineer in Lanark with Janet. and Mary.
Do you know what religion were they?
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No idea Gadget sorry
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Hi,
There is a man recorded as Willm Pender age 37 at Clarkston, New Monkland, Lanarkshire on the 1841. He is a labourer and is in the same household as a family called McCallum. He is born outside the county of Lanarkshire.
Looby :)
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Thanks Looby...will have a look at that
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Hi again,
Forget that man in Clarkston, Kall. ::)
He is still there in 1851 with his mother Janet and a sibling Jane. Funnily enough his place of birth is Dunbartonshire - Cumbernauld.
I agree with Gadget , I think Dumfriesshire and Old Patrick has been as misinterpretation of something else.
Looby
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Thanks Looby
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2 deaths show on scotlandspeople
William Pender aged 81 died in 1891 673.1/16 [Whitburn]
William Pender aged 75 died in 1891 644.5/678 [Blackfriars]
Worth checking i would say.
Ian A McClumpha