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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Flipside on Saturday 25 August 18 18:32 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am struggling to find a marriage Alexander Liddell and Jane Sneddon and i am beggining to think they did not marry. Alexander died 24 Sep 1851Cambuslang, Lanark, Scotland and Jane 20 Jul 1864 Rutherglen. Jane was born round about 1826 in Shettleston.
The had a son William born round about 1847 in Cambuslang, he married Annie Beattie on 23 Mar 1866 in Eddlewood Hamilton.
The strange thing is on William's marriage certificate his mother is listed as Janet Sneddon, on his death certificate it is Janet Short. I also cant find William's birth certificate I am confused lol, i have the RCE for Jane but i wont post up as it very unpleasant to read
Any help would be appreciated
Flip
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As William is noted as illegitimate on his death registration, and Janet Sneddon is noted as single on her death registration, I think it's fair to assume William's parents didn't marry.
I would go with William's parents as they appeared on his marriage registration, as William himself would have given this information to the registrar. Parents' names on death registrations are notoriously inaccurate, as in many cases, the person who registered the death may not have been that closely related (if at all) to the deceased.
And I wouldn't worry too much about not finding a baptism record for William - the kirk was often reluctant to baptise illegitimate children unless both parents were present.
Ruth
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Yes would agree with Ruth ...the marriage certificate would have the correct name for his mother
Going by the census record 1851 address Baird Lane Calton Street Tollcross Lanarkshire
William Liddel is with his mother Jane Sneddon and grandmother Janet Russell
Rosie
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Many thanks everyone
I thought i was going crazy there ;D. Even though William is illegitimate the census record links him at a critical junction in my family so i am most grateful.
If i may ask one more question, i have no information about Alexander other than his date of death and location. Is there a way to find out anything about him?
Flip
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Do you have an address for Alexander Liddell in 1851 ? and his age ...I can see the death for Alexander Liddell on Scotlands people 1851 ...I'm assuming you Have more information to confirm this is the right person ? Have you tried looking for him on the census records and
Rosie
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I have nothing at all other than death and i cant confirm death actually links :-[. I did have the go at the census, but i am not the best with it :'(
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Yes not much to go on with the death ??? Maybe worth while trying to see if Jane applied for poor relief when William was born to see if there is any mention of the father ..Not sure where you live but the Mitchell Library Glasgow has records of people applying for poor relief .
Rosie
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Cracking idea rosie, i am heading there on the 4th of September i have never been before so crossed fingers something turns up. Many thanks
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That's good.. well worth a visit.. The Mitchell Library also has a Scotlands People search room not sure if its still about £15.00 for the whole day if you are going to use the search room I would advise to phone up and book a seat ...The poor relief records are free to search some amazing records there
Good luck with your research and keep us posted with your results :)
Rosie
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I will do, i have a seat booked for the day so hopefully will solve a few mysteries as my family is famous for lol.
Flip
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Just to make you aware the poor relief records is in a different room so allow yourself plenty of time
for searching :)
Rosie
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If i may ask one more question, i have no information about Alexander other than his date of death and location. Is there a way to find out anything about him?
As he was the father of an illegitimate child, there is a good chance that the Kirk Session took an interest in the matter.
If they did, and if the relevant minute has survived, there will be a report on the proceedings that may contain other information, about Alexander, for example his occupation and where he resided at the time of William's birth.
The Kirk Session records are held in the National Records of Scotland. They have been digitised but at the time of writing can only be consulted in the Historical Search Room in General Register House in Edinburgh, or in one of a small number of local archives including Glasgow.
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Surely Janet/Jean Short is William's mother in law not mother .
Could the person who registered hisdeath have got their long deceased grandmothers mixed up ?
From the 2nd document...his death cert
I understood that his wife Annie Bettie was illegitimate. If it was William why wasn't that noted directly under His name ?
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Very interesting points brigidmac, i thought the same about why the illegitimate label was under Annie and not William. However according to ancestry i have the birth registration for Annie her parents were Thomas Beattie and Jean Short so it was probably a mix up at the registration of William's death
I could not find anything in the poor law or Kirk session records, i may have missed something or the records may have not survived
Flip
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according to ancestry i have the birth registration for Annie
What exactly do you mean by 'the birth registration for Annie'?
Do not trust anything you find on Ancestry unless it is an image of an original document. If it's an index listing or a transcription, always make a point of getting an original.
And even if it is an original, does the information on it match the information on Annie's marriage certificate?
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You have given partial images of these documents -
LIDDELL - BEATTIE marriage, 23 March 1868
LIDDELL William death, 1911
There is notation in left side of page, suggesting amendment Aug 1911?
SEDDON Jane death, 1864 (20 July)
There is notation in left side of page, suggesting amendment 2 Sep 1865?
What are these amendments about?
Can you please show full images for these three documents.