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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Huntingdonshire => England => Huntingdonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Helen Bedford on Friday 02 November 18 08:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi
If anyone has access to the baptism registers of Eynesbury could they do a quick lookup for me please?
I am looking for the baptism in about 1796 of Dinah Chandler, who is 55 in the 1851 census.
Hoping that the surname is correct as I worked it out from the birth of her son Alfred Johnson/Elliot in St Georges in 1840.
Cheers
Helen
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I'm a little puzzled ( that's nothing new for me ;D ;D )
If you are uncertain of the surname does this mean you do not have details of Dinah's marriage? (to Johnson/Elliot?) This would be useful in proving her maiden name.
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I can't see any Alfred JOHNSON mmn CHANDLER births in 1838-on GRO
There are several London/Middx/Surrey births for Alfred JOHNSON in 1840 including:
Mar qtr 1840 Camberwell vol 4 p53 mmn NEW
Jun qtr 1840 St Pancras vol 1 p257 mmn MENSAL
Philip
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1851 census details for anyone looking at this
HO107 /1750 f389 p25 - Eaton Socon
Thomas Johnson age 55 occ Gardener bn Eaton Socon, Bedfordshire
Dinah Johnson 55 bn Eynesbury, Huntingdonshire
George Johnson Son 15 bn Eaton Socon
Alfred Johnson 10 bn St Georges Road, London
John Moore - Lodger Widower 73 bn Wilhamstead, Bedfordshire
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The marriage for Dinah to Thomas Johnson should give information on her father
Marriage Sep qtr 1843
ELLIOTT Dinah
JOHNSON Thomas
St Neots 14 265
ADDED Do you have Alfreds birth certificate or are you just going from the GRO index
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The marriage for Dinah to Thomas Johnson should give information on her father
Marriage Sep qtr 1843
ELLIOTT Dinah
JOHNSON Thomas
St Neots 14 265
ADDED Do you have Alfreds birth certificate or are you just going from the GRO index
I wondered about this marriage. If it is for the correct couple that means Dinah was previously married to Mr Elliot. So this birth would fit:
Birth Jun qtr 1840 St George the Martyr, Southwark vol 4 p411 Alfred ELLIOT mmn CHANDLER.
I agree that the 1843 marriage cert is the way forward
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I presume that this is Alfreds 'belated' baptism at Eaton Socon
Baptism 21 Jul 1845
Eaton Socon, Bedfordshire
Father Robert Elliott
Mother Dinah
ADDED Baptised same day same parents
Maria Jane born c1834
Robert Charles born c1833
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Hi
Yes all the info you have found appears to be correct. I worked out my supposed trail of events from my Bedfordshire Surnames CD and the entries on FindMyPast and FamilySearch.
The full story is a bit more involved than that as this Dinah appears to be a very married lady and as the story has so many steps to it I thought it best to try and get as much confirmation as possible.
The first step was to find on the CD that a Dinah Chandler, a spinster resident in Eynesbury, married in 1816 in Eaton Socon. FindMyPast confirmed that she had married a William Lee. The CD said that he was a bachelor when they married. Dinah appears to have had only one child with him, William in 1817 and then William the husband appears to die between 1817 and 1828 as the next entry found on CD is that Dinah Lee, widow married in 1828 in Eaton Socon. (the 1823 burial is a man born 1810!)
FindMyPast confirmed that she married Robert Elliott, which also confirmed Alfred’s baptism in 1845, (CD said he was a bachelor), and I then found on Family Search that she had at least 4 children by Robert, of which the youngest was Alfred. Again no evidence of death for the husband on my CD but I already knew from researching Alfred’s birth that Thomas Johnson had married Dinah Elliott in 1843 in St Neots. Presumably this was in a local register office as I cannot find a church marriage.
As you can see there are a few holes and it would make the story much more complete if the baptism was found.
I did see somewhere that someone had done an index for the parish, but I can't remember who, perhaps someone knows of it please?
Helen
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Have checked Eynesbury , no bapts, also st neots,
eaton socon bapts27.12.1805,dinah chandler, daughter of Edward/Sarah.
marriage at eatonsocon,30.12.1794, edward chandler=Sarah Emery, of wyboston, by lic.????
Margaret.
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Thanks for your efforts Margaret, so she wasn't baptised in Eynesbury. She must have lived most of her childhood there and thought that she was born there.
For that to happen she must have been born near there but she wasn't baptised in either Cambridgeshire or Bedfordshire as I have checked the CHFS index and my CD. For the moment I will rule out any other county as the parish is in the middle of the three counties - so that leaves Huntingdonshire.
Does anybody know of a county-wide index similar to the other counties, online? Or is the only source Genfair purchase or HFHS purchase?
Helen
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The marriage for Dinah to Thomas Johnson should give information on her father
Marriage Sep qtr 1843
ELLIOTT Dinah
JOHNSON Thomas
St Neots 14 265
Do you have this marriage certificate as it should indicate who her father was
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Agreed but I am exploring other less expensive methods first as I am on a tight budget.
I am not even sure she is a member of my tree yet as I am waiting on another marriage certificate for her husband's great-nephew Oliver Sidney Johnson, who I believe married one of my Johnson cousins - now he's a story in himself!
If there is nothing online, I think I will invest in the Huntingdonshire Index as all my Johnson ancestors come from the county and it will certainly pay for itself!
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Hi all
Just a quick update on my query.
Yesterday I unfortunately received the marriage certificate copy for this lady's great-nephew, and I say "unfortunately" as I also received a lesson in how NOT to do family history!
I had based research into this line on the theory that the great-nephew, Oliver Sidney Johnson had married my Florence Johnson, daughter of Edward Herbert Johnson, but in fact he married the widow of his brother Arthur James Johnson, one Florence Johnson nee Whiddington.
Therefore there is no connection at this time to this line for my family and I have been barking up the wrong tree! However, having said that I did enjoy it and it was interesting – but I think next time I will get the certificate first!
I won’t delete it though, as there might be a connection at the Huntingdon end as I know very little about my Huntingdonshire Johnsons.
Thanks for all your help and advice
Helen
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Helen ,I also bark up the wrong tree very often, I think F.H. is on assumption only, but how can I help you with your Johnsons in Hunts,I will try, and put you on the right track. just brief imfo first.Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
I'm not berating myself, just a little irritated that I did it!
Thank you for your very kind offer, but it would be quite an ask as my main problem is that I cannot find a death or burial for my William Johnson and therefore no baptism.
His first appearance is on marriage in 1819 in Hartford to Elizabeth Harvey (baptised 1794 in Warboys, buried 1860 in Houghton). I found his wife and children easily enough in 1841 and 1851 but no William in 1841 and in 1851 his wife is a widow.
I came to this brick wall many years ago when I was a green newbie, so I shelved it as insolvable and it has become habit to think of it as impossible but now more has been indexed, perhaps it is time I did some more work on this line!
He had at least seven known children but I don’t even know the order of births or if there were one or two sons called William. At the moment I am favouring this arrangement: Denis Wells(1820), William(1821), Mary Ann(1823?), Mahala(1826), Absalom(1828), Eliza(1832) and Edward(1835), as I have found Absalom and Mahala in the census and William is of full age when he married in 1844. (Mary Ann, Mahala and Absalom were baptised together in 1828 in Wyton).
So you can see I have quite a bit of work to do!
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Let me know if you need me to check any document, any time Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
I was wondering if you knew of a county-wide index of burials, I'm not convinced that the NBI or the FindMyPast or Family Search have complete indexes as I cannot find any likely burials for my William Johnson in the period 1835-1851 in the St Ives area or so?
Helen
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Have you tried registrations b.m.d,for the name, this will give you the reg nos ,so you can apply for the appropiate certificate.Margaret.
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May have found them??? from St Ives Union Workhouse births and deaths 1836-1913,
william johnson, 48, died, 24, january 1847, of lung disease, buried, 26.1.1847, st ives.OR
william johnson, 58, died 25.8.1851, buried at pidley hunts.??????Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
Interesting and only one is in the GRO indexes or FreeReg or FreeBMD!!
All I found were deaths in 1838, 1843, 1844, 1847 and 1851 with ages 79, 69, 4, 33 and 58 respectively.
The 1851 would be perfect except for one thing, he died after the census! But the one in 1847 looks reasonable too, he would have been 20 years old in 1819, the year my William married (Elizabeth was 24) - definitely worth pursuing!
That's the benefit of talking it over with someone else on Rootschat, another viewpoint can often turn up new leads! And re-invigorates research - thank you for your inspiration :) :)
Helen
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Hi Margaret
I think you must be my lucky charm, I've now found a burial in FindMyPast in All Saints St Ives on 29/1/1847 which is aged 51, so born 1796, which would be perfect.
So looking further I have two baptisms, Bluntisham 1790, Yaxley 1796, A single lodger in Somersham in 1841(1797), married man in Stilton in 1841(1797), burial St Ives 1847(1796) and burial Stilton 1842(1796).
So would it be possible for you to look up the burial in All Saints St Ives in 1847 please as there now seem to be two variations and it would be nice to know if there are one or two entries?
Helen
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All saints st ives burials29.1.1847 william johnstone of union workhouse, aged 51
also found in st ives workhouse burials,????????elizabeth johnson 86 died 6.5.1856 at fenstanton.
elizaberth johnson died in the workhouse 84.died 29th july pidley.Margaret.
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Checked yaxley st peters bapts 29.5.1796 william johnson, son of richard/ann.
checked bluntisham, only mary bapts.
will check somersham later.Margaret.
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Thanks Margaret
That sorts out William's burial query, I wouldn't worry about the burials for Elizabeth as it is quite a common name, but it is strange that all burials do not appear in the GRO index!
It's rather worrying that they don't, I wonder how many more are missing and only appear in Workhouse burials? It might be why I can't find out what happened to some of William and Elizabeth's children!
Helen
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Ihave been digging again and yes these may be duplicated, dennis wells johnson bapt 28.5.1820 at hartford, son william/elizabeth.
william bapt 23.12.1821, at hartford
absalom bapt witton 26.9.1828
mahalah bapt 26.9.1828 witton.
eliza also witton,25.3.1832
edward bapt witton/wyton 24.4.1835.
marriage at hartford 1819 elizabeth harvey= william johnson.
Margaret.
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Indeed they were, and there was also a Mary Ann in the multiple baptism.
I don't suppose there were any Minneys baptised in Godmanchester please?
Mary Minney married William, son of my William Johnson and 1841 census said she was 20 years old
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Marriage, at Houghton,25.12.1844,Mary Minney, daughter of thomas=william johnson, son william.
no bapts for minney, at godmanchester.
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Thanks anyway for looking