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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: simonhogg on Sunday 04 November 18 16:03 GMT (UK)
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I've been trying to trace my maternal grandfather (Walter Herbert Halsall 26/01/1898-22/07/1947 born and died in Douglas). I can find him, along with the rest of his family, his father has the same name, on the 1911 census, but not the 1901 or details of his father on any other census record.
I know that records may have been lost, they may have been overseas or any other number of reasons.
Has anyone else found a gap in census records for the island for the other census records?
Thanks
Simon
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There is a Herbert Halsal aged 2 (note spelling) living with grandparents but he was b Patrick
Can you post full 1911 details so we can try to find them in 1901
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I think this is the family in 1911 :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V3-NDB
Walter Halsall 44
Marie Halsall 40
Walter Halsall 13
and other children
I cannot see them on the earlier census.
Baptisms for some of the children suggest mother was Mary ( Aurelia ) Kelly. A possible marriage :
Walter Halsall , father John Halsall , and Polly Kelly , father Robert , 9 Oct 1892 Douglas , Isle of Man
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Baptism for Walter Halsall senior :
Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane
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Yes, that is the family as on the 1911 census, but I've not been able to find them, any of them depending on their ages of course, on an earlier census....or any other details.
I would add that I am quite a novice with regards to all of this, I only started about 4 weeks ago
Simon
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Baptism for Walter Halsall senior :
Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane
Where and how was this found? I ask, as I've been stumped, hence my posting.
Thanks
Simon
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Normally, I would volunteer to go and have a look at the Manx Museum Library ;D
But I have a very busy week leading up to the Pokerstars Rally next Friday & Saturday!
Best places to look would be FamilySearch.org - you have to register, but searching records is free; or www.iMuseum.im (click on the People tab, then Advanced Search).
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Thanks....you are perhaps a bit closer than me (Oxford) :)
I've been using both those sites and I've not got any further than the 1911 census ie, not even anything for the 1901. This could be due to my lack of experience in these matters of course, but I would expect Walter Herbert Halsall (senior) to pop up on a couple of earlier censuses(sp?), they could have been elsewhere of course, Ireland would seem obvious, but I found nothing there either.
They could just have been elusive at the time of the census.
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Baptism for Walter Halsall senior :
Walter Halsall 21 Jan 1864 Malew , Isle of Man , parents John Halsall , farmer , and Jane
Good find, Christine ;D
To complete the picture, the farm address was Moaney Mooar
Registered Deeds:
Receipt and Release. Walter Halsall to John Halsall. Moaney Moar in parish of Malew. Deed ref.: MS 09494/1893/05/106. (Deed requisition book entry: L 22639/12/3362.)
Deed date: 17 May 1893
Release. Walter Halsall to John Halsall. Moaney Mooar in parish of Malew. Deed ref.: MS 09494/1895/02/097. (Deed requisition book entry: L 22639/13/0316.)
Deed date: 28 January 1895
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Thank you KGarrad - I knew you'd be along shortly !
Christine
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1871 Isle of Man census
John Halsall 46 farmer Patrick, Isle of Man
Jane Halsall 36 wife ""
John Halsall 9
Walter Halsall 7
RG10; Piece: 5777; Folio: 138; Page: 6;
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Walter Halsall , draper , of Wellington Street , Douglas , Isle of Man , was initiated into the St Trinian's Lodge 5 Nov 1896 ( from Freemason Membership Registers ).
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Our RC colleague, Frances MNB, posted on an Isle of Man Forum in 2003, re the Kennaugh family living at Moaney Moar:
Moaney Moar is 'Turbary big' in Manx.
Turbaries were where peat was cut for fuel and are on upland areas.
There are two Moaney Moars on the Island one in German the other in Malew - (see http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/ under parishes for maps etc) - however it is likely that it is the one in Malew (grid ref SC270731 on Ballamodha straight) as one tennant giving his address as MM in 1889 was Kennaugh Robert, farmer, Moaney Moar see see http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/ fulltext/pd1889/mw.htm
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook is well worth a look for all things Manx!
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I, too, was hoping to see KG!
Had a look at the IOM times which has a couple of mentions of a Walter Halsall. A drapery/clothes business. J & W Halsall was at Wellington House, 57 Duke Street and Wellington St. Walter's business address, 20 Jan 1894, was given as 10 Duke St, when he posted an advert about a move to larger premises.
There's a mention of a "Walter Halsall. Duke St" in the 20th Oct 1900 edition.
There's a May 7 1898 report about a fire at 55 Duke St, the occupants' escape assisted by a Walter Halsall in an adjoining house.
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I see, baptism and land records (as I would call them), I've only been looking at census records, then births, marriages & deaths...and I was just looking at the newspaper records yesterday, considering a subscription to see what they hold.
Thank you all, this has been a great help, not just for the information, but the use of other records.
Simon
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Checked Duke Street on the 1901 Census - no entries for Nos 55 or 57.
If the property existed , it should be listed and marked "Uninhabited" in the absence of an occupier.. There are instances of properties marked "Uninhabited" in the stret.
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Duke Street is nowadays a part of the main shopping street, and is pedestrianised - so no street views on Google Maps.
Duke Street runs into Strand Street and then Castle Street.
Wellington Street is still there, too. But much changed.
M&S is on the corner of Duke Street and Wellington Street today.
I'll try to check out the addresses next time I'm there.