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Dorothy Hallas born 1933 Leeds
Possibly daughter of Percy & Gertrude but not so sure now....
1939 causes major headache
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This one :-\
Births Mar 1933
Hallas mmn Ward
Leeds South 9b 623
Marriage Dec qtr 1931
Hallas Percy
Ward Gertrude (spouse Hallas)
Leeds South 9b 966
Have you located them on the 1939 register - what does it say
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Can we assume that Dorothy is deceased?
From FreeBMD - birth registration - March quarter 1933 - Leeds South - Dorothy Hallas - mmn is Ward
From FreeBMD - marriage registration December quarter 1931 - Leeds South - Percy Hallas married Gertrude Ward
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I see your problem. Apparently, if a person is still showing on the 1939 Register, it is probable that they are no longer on this earth. Obviously she married, as her surname now shows as Richards. You could try and trace her forward from this, starting around 1953-ish when she would have been 20. I suspect that the Register is actually showing the residents of a children's home as the previous records all show "This record is officially closed", indicating they are possibly all still living. However, why she should be in a children's home on the outskirts of Wakefield while her presumed parents are alive and living in Leeds is a mystery. There is a record of a Dorothy Hallas marrying John E Richards in 3Q1952 in Lower Agbrigg, which is a suburb of Wakefield. It might be worth sending for this marriage record which should give the father's/mother's name. I notice that there are a lot of Dorothy Hallases around on the BMDs and all in Yorkshire...could be tricky!
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So Dorothy is not in the household of Percy and Gertrude in 1939 (although she does appear on the 1939 Register) - could that be because there is a new member of the Hallas family born 1938, plus the death of a child, born 1934, in 1938?
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I have:
Percy Hallas married to Gertude Ward (both deceased)
A son, Rowland Hallas (1934-38)
Then I have:
Dorothy Hallas and one other (male) born 1938
I'm not not sure if both of the second two children are Percy's
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You may have to purchase a birth certificate then :-\
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Would children from Leeds be evacuated - found it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/49/a2792649.shtml
possible reason why parted.
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I'm not not sure if both of the second two children are Percy's
The birth certificate should confirm it. As Percy & Gertrude were still together in 1939 why do you think the were not Percy's children.
Don't forget that the 1939 register like the census was just a snapshot of where people were staying on one night (29th September 1939).
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I guess you are wondering what the relationship of Dorothy Hallas b. 1933 is to Annie W Rodgers B. 1903?
I think the answer lies in the page numbering. The pages seem to go from 122 to 126 so I think the head of the household for that property in John Street is probably on pg 124, of which there doesn't appear to be an image on FindMyPast.
pg 124 is on Ancestry but every record on the page is marked officially closed - peculiar.
Think you might have to investigate Mrs. Annie W Rodgers in more detail.
Pheno
Sorry crossed with all the other posts of same time.
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I guess you are wondering what the relationship of Dorothy Hallas b. 1933 is to Annie W Rodgers B. 1903?
I think the answer lies in the page numbering. The pages seem to go from 122 to 126 so I think the head of the household for that property in John Street is probably on pg 124, of which there doesn't appear to be an image on FindMyPast.
pg 124 is on Ancestry but every record on the page is marked officially closed - peculiar.
Think you might have to investigate Mrs. Annie W Rodgers in more detail.
Pheno
Sorry crossed with all the other posts of same time.
Lots of closed pages there ???
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1946 and 1947 Electoral Roll - Hemsworth - 15 John Street:
Annie W Rodger
Clarence P Rodger
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Hi the Dorothy who married the Richards appears to be still alive in 2002 Electoral Register in Leeds with her husband?
Keyboard86
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Did a Dorothy Hallas marry a John Rodgers at some point, 1957?
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For what it's worth:
Percival Clarence Rodger married Annie W Oddy - Hemsworth - 1927
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Hi the Dorothy who married the Richards appears to be still alive in 2002 Electoral Register in Leeds with her husband?
Keyboard86
I cannot work out why this appears to be Dorothy, but their is a death in 2001 Leeds of a Dorothy b 17th January 1933?
Keyboard86
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BUT when was the 2002 list compiled? If that was prior to November 2001 :-\
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Did a Dorothy Hallas marry a John Rodgers at some point, 1957?
There is a marriage, registered in Leeds - March quarter 1957 - Dorothy Hallas and John Rodgers/Sweaney. If you look for Dorothy Hallas then the entry states that she married Rodgers or Sweaney. John is only indexed under Rodgers.
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As I mentioned in my earlier post, there are many Dorothy Hallases in the records, all marrying different people (obviously!). However, the 1939 register does state that her name became Richards somewhere along the line and the only marriage is the one I have described. Of the puzzle regarding all the closed records, I am still firmly of the opinion that it was a children's home; it could be because, as you say, of the death of a sibling earlier and they put Dorothy 'into care' for a short time. However, Dorothy did stay in the Wakefield area by the looks of things as that is where the marriage to John Richards took place. Either a birth certificate or a marriage certificate - or both - would probably solve a lot of the mystery. It might also be worth checking whether the address in question was a residential property or a children's home; I am sure some Chatters live within that area and could help?
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BUT the 1939 shows Annie Rodgers as No: 2 in the household, and Dorothy as No: 3. :-\ at 15 John Street. The electoral register says that John Street is in the Parliamentary Constituency of Hemsworth, Polling District of Cudworth East, and Township of Cudworth.
If you search by address, there is no No: 13 John Street, so the possibility of an institution is feasible. Addresses go from 11 and then 15.
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John Street is in the village of Great Houghton. Just before all the backed out entries is listed as Thurnscoe Lane and Ebenezer Street both of which are in Great Houghton. Great Houghton is near Cudworth but nearer Thurnscoe. The area is now in Barnsley MBC in South Yorkshire.
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Yes, I had realised, but not got round to notifying the thread. :-X
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Hi all, can we agree on at least one thing, the Dorothy in the "Childrens Home" in 1939 married the John E Richards?
Two of the births of this couple are living approx 2 miles from them in 2002 Electoral Register?
Keyboard86
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Dorothy Hallas born 1933 Leeds
Possibly daughter of Percy & Gertrude but not so sure now....
1939 causes major headache
Do we need Paulo Leeds to come back and tell us exactly what he does know - excluding living names?
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Can we assume that you are no longer interested in this line of enquiry :-\
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Dorothy Hallas born 1933 Leeds
Possibly daughter of Percy & Gertrude but not so sure now....
1939 causes major headache
Do we need Paulo Leeds to come back and tell us exactly what he does know - excluding living names?
sorry guys, I don't know much else, but trying to facebook some people who know Dorothy's son
will get back to you
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Thank you for coming back to us :D
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The Dorothy's sons surname may help in your quest ? but with your limited knowledge of Dorothy's life,? as to being a marriage woman with her husbands surname post 1939 or a spinster as Dorothy Hallas with an illegitimate child/children . It would seem your don't know if Dorothy (who would be 85 years old now ) is still alive or deceased as now.
We are not supposed to converse on Rootschat forums about living people or if its unknown if the person is living or deceased...………..?
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The Dorothy's sons surname may help in your quest ? but with your limited knowledge of Dorothy's life,? as to being a marriage woman with her husbands surname post 1939 or a spinster as Dorothy Hallas with an illegitimate child/children . It would seem your don't know if Dorothy (who would be 85 years old now ) is still alive or deceased as now.
We are not supposed to converse on Rootschat forums about living people or if its unknown if the person is living or deceased...………..?
Dorothy is deceased
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Hi again, "Dorothy is deceased" under what surname?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, "Dorothy is deceased" under what surname?
Keyboard86
This i don't know
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:) OK so who told you Dorothy was deceased?
Keyboard86
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:) OK so who told you Dorothy was deceased?
Keyboard86
her grandson, apparently
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:) This is getting a bit ifs/buts and maybes, it was a straight question, did the Dorothy in the "Childrens Home" in 1939 that you started this thread marry the Richards or not?
Keyboard86
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:) OK so who told you Dorothy was deceased?
Keyboard86
her grandson, apparently
???
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:) This is getting a bit ifs/buts and maybes, it was a straight question, did the Dorothy in the "Childrens Home" in 1939 that you started this thread marry the Richards or not?
Keyboard86
I have no idea
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Dorothy Hallas born 1933 Leeds
Possibly daughter of Percy & Gertrude but not so sure now....
1939 causes major headache
Do we need Paulo Leeds to come back and tell us exactly what he does know - excluding living names?
sorry guys, I don't know much else, but trying to facebook some people who know Dorothy's son
will get back to you
If you can find more info (from other sources - not Rootchat) on Dorothy's known son should be your best option to trace back from:- any info he knows like his birth certificate info - if he will tell you anything ???
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so I spoke to her 'known' son who said he didn't have a grandad called Percy (Hallas)
so I must have the wrong person with the same name, strangely