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Title: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Saturday 08 December 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find the family of Mary Anne, born in1870/71 in Trefun, North Pembs, also spelled Trefin, Trevine and Treveyn. Mother was Mary, born 1847, also of Trefun. Maiden name unknown, as details of marriage, which could have been in Pembs, Aberdare or even back in Llanidloes have not been found.   She married Richard Price, of Llanidloes b.1849 and was living with her brother-in-law at Forchaman, Aberdare at the time of the 1871 census. A look-up by anyone with Pembs baptism  info. Would be gratefully appreciated.   Yn gywir, Mike.
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 08 December 18 11:55 GMT (UK)
If you can find her birth registration on the GRO birth index it should give her mothers maiden name.

Although if parents were unmarried it will likely be just under her mothers name.

Sorry got confused there - it's the birth for Mary Anne Price 1870/71 is that right?
Parents Richard & Mary Price.

Did they have other children or just her?
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Saturday 08 December 18 12:02 GMT (UK)
That's the problem! The GRO entries give neither parent's names nor the parish  in which the birth took place, which would be useful to confirm identification.
Mike
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 08 December 18 16:23 GMT (UK)
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Did they have other children or just her?

Arthur Llewellyn Price born Mar 1891 has mothers name Tegan

Can I offer Mary Anne Price born Dec 1870 with mothers name Tegan

Dec 1870 registration fits with being 5 months old in 1871 

Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 08 December 18 16:31 GMT (UK)
Marriage Jun 1869

William Heath
Catherine Morgans
Richard Price
Mary Tegan

Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Saturday 08 December 18 17:05 GMT (UK)
>>>Sorry got confused there - it's the birth for Mary Anne Price 1870/71 is that right?
Parents Richard & Mary Price.
Yes this is correct. Richard subsequently moved to Langyngeirn before moving to Pembrey. Other children were Martha, Sarah, Richard born 1884, Margaret J. and Artur Llew. Only Mary Anne was born in Pembs.
On your subsequent post, yes this all fits exactly, thank you.
May I ask if you were able to look up parish records or somehow used the GRO? If the latter, can you please explain how I can refer to the actual parents using the index references.
Mike
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: osprey on Saturday 08 December 18 21:21 GMT (UK)
if you use the online GRO index

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

you can check mother's maiden name on birth regs or age at death on death regs before the period where these details are shown on transcriptions like FreeBmd. You need to register but it's free.

Trefin is in the parish of Llanrhian. No obvious baptism for Mary in that parish. But there are some to Henry Tegan & his wife Mary
Thomas bp 27 Oct 1833
Henry bp 28 Feb 1836
William 7 Oct 1838
Martha bp 17 Oct 1841

Birth reg Mary Tegan sept qtr 1846 Haverfordwest vol 26 pg 674 mmn Richard

Marriage 8 April 1833 in Llanrhian for Henry Tegan of Llanreithan & Mary Richard - from FreeReg
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 08 December 18 21:37 GMT (UK)
Mike - yes I used the GRO birth index as osprey has kindly explained above.

The 1869 marriage from Free BMD index  :)
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: osprey on Saturday 08 December 18 22:00 GMT (UK)
1851 census transcribed as Lyons on Ancestry
Trevine HO107/2479 folio 305 pg 6
Henry Tegan head mar 39 labourer b. ? St David's
Mary wife 48
Henry son 14 b.
William son 10
Martha dau 9
Mary dau 4
all born Trevine except Henry senior
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Sunday 09 December 18 07:00 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for your help.
Comparing the 1851 with the 1861 census, Henry and his wife appear not to be able to make their minds up about their age!

Mike
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: osprey on Sunday 09 December 18 08:46 GMT (UK)
Indeed!  ::)

Burial 29 April 1884 in Llanrhian Henry of Trevine is noted as 72, but the only baptism online at this time is 19 August 1804 son of William & Sarah in St David's. No sign of this Henry later.


 :-\
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: mrs.family on Friday 29 March 19 22:22 GMT (UK)
There is a Tegan grave at Berea - let me know if you want the photo?
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Wednesday 10 April 19 10:44 BST (UK)
I would very much appreciate a photo of the Tegan grave you refer to, thank you.

Strange, isn't it?, that a labouring family should have had the money for a gravestone.

Is there much evidence connecting this grave with the Tegans we have been discussing?

Mike Brady
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: mrs.family on Wednesday 10 April 19 21:42 BST (UK)
'Ere you go, a nice clear photo.
The Tegans were a St Davids family as well - somewhere in the back of my memory is a Capt Tegan.......
x Elaine
Title: Re: Trefun familes, mid XIX c.
Post by: BradyCMH on Thursday 11 April 19 08:06 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your trouble, Mrs Family.

I wonder what it was that "he could and did"!

I had noticed  the St.David's Tegans but have not yet been able to connect them to the Trefun family.

No Tegans left in the BT phone book for the area, and grave not attended: end of the line I wonder?

Da bo i chi.  Mike Brady