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Title: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Joanne Davies-Ainslie on Monday 10 December 18 20:09 GMT (UK)
My grandfather on my father's side was Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies born Jun 25, 1907 (Newport, Monmouthshire), his parents were Evan Thomas Davies born October 1885 (born Merthyr Tydfil) and Annie Maria Powell born October 1886 (not sure where she was born in Wales).  They had 5 children, I only know three names as Annie took two of the children and left Evan with 3 boys (Alfred, Ronald - born January 1911, and Thomas - born Sept 1919) we think the two missing are in between Ronald & Thomas, as she left baby Thomas with his father.  Any help finding them would be so appreciated.
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 20:50 GMT (UK)
Possible

DAVIES, OLWEN  MURIEL     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in NEWPORT, MON  Volume 11A  Page 319

Added, but strange, she is not with them 1911 and also no indication she had died on the 1911

See reply 7

DAVIES, ALCWYN  TOM     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in NEWPORT (MON.)  Volume 11A  Page 512
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: osprey on Monday 10 December 18 21:01 GMT (UK)
1911 census from FamilySearch showing Annie's place of birth as Newbridge

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PX-ZJR
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 21:02 GMT (UK)
Births Mar 1919
Davies    David _    Powell    Newport M.    11a   505   

Mar 1920
Davies    Glenys M    Powell    Newport M    11a   777

Both from Freebmd.org.uk

And  dec 1920

Davies    James H    Powell    Newport M    11a   642

There must be two Davies Powell couples having babies in Newport.

I don’t see a Thomas  birth for 1919 in Newport reg

Only

Births Dec 1919
Davies    John R P    Powell    Pontypridd    11a   1178   
Davies    Thomas E    Powell    Builth    11b   113    
Davies    Thomas E    Powell    Builth    11b   114    
Davies    Thomas I    Powell    Bedwellty    11a   235    
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 21:14 GMT (UK)
If your Thomas is that Builth one then there are

DAVIES, JOHN  CADWGAN AUBREY    POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1917  D Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 106   

DAVIES, POWELL  JAMES     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 111   
 
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 21:16 GMT (UK)
But surely not because

DAVIES, ELIZABETH  SARAH CEINWEN    POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1913  D Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 120   

DAVIES, MARY  OLGA ELVINA    POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1915  D Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 112   

DAVIES, RUBY  ANNIE     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1915  J Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 112   

DAVIES, VIOLET  ANN FREDA    POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1914  M Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 103

I’ve completely confused myself now!  Going for a coffee. Hopefully someone with more common sense than Me comes on  :)
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: osprey on Monday 10 December 18 21:24 GMT (UK)
Sorry, forgot to welcome you to Rootschat!

1891 census for family of Annie
Twyn College, Penmaen RG12/4382 folio 9 pg 12
Enoch Powell head mar 38 coal miner b. Kingston, Herefordshire
Elizabeth wife 43 b. Herefordshire
James G Richards stepson 18 coal miner b. Herefordshire
Alfred E Powell son 14 coal miner b. Pentwyn Mawr
George son 13 b. Pentwyn Mawr
William son 7 b. Pentwyn Mawr
Mary Elizabeth dau 7 b. Twyn College
Annie Maria dau 5 b. Twyn College
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 21:54 GMT (UK)
Ok, olwen belongs to this family

Pontywain Farm Cross-Keys Mon, Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales In 1911. Parents John William and Sarah.  Other child

DAVIES, GILBERT  DAN     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1904  M Quarter in NEWPORT MON  Volume 11A  Page 291
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 23:00 GMT (UK)
Quote
Davies    Thomas I    Powell    Bedwellty    11a   235     

there are an awful lot of Davies/Powell Bedwelty births so am thinking this Thomas is unlikely to be yours.
Do you have your Thomas' birth certificate. Are you confident of the September 1919 birth date?
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 10 December 18 23:01 GMT (UK)
Quote
DAVIES, ALCWYN  TOM     POWELL     Order
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in NEWPORT (MON.)  Volume 11A  Page 512

is present in 1939 as a single man. 
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Joanne Davies-Ainslie on Tuesday 11 December 18 13:53 GMT (UK)
Wow....I am overwhelmed with all this info!  Thank you so much!  I do not have Thomas's birth certificate, so not sure on the date.  Thomas was their last child. 

Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 11 December 18 18:15 GMT (UK)
I don’t feel it’s been much help at all!

The only thing I can think is for you to start buying certificates and hope you guess right the first time so you don’t waste money.

Either that, or wait until the 1921 census is released.

If you bought Annie”s birth PDF you would have her exact birth date and might be able to find her on the 1939 register.  If you were lucky might still have children with her.  But of course she may have a new surname.
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Joanne Davies-Ainslie on Tuesday 11 December 18 19:02 GMT (UK)
I do feel you have all given me some names to look up, I have to be careful what birth certificates I order as for me (being in Canada) they cost me almost $20 each. 
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 11 December 18 19:20 GMT (UK)
Yes, a shame the PDFs aren’t available for post 1917 births.

Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 11 December 18 19:23 GMT (UK)
Looking at Annie’s census.
I wonder if it will turn out you are related to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell

Although it’s probably another one of those common welsh names!


Added. Took a a quick look,seems unlikely,  or very remote
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Joanne Davies-Ainslie on Tuesday 11 December 18 19:48 GMT (UK)
That would be very cool if I was related!
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: hencarrai on Sunday 23 December 18 18:32 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I am a ‘cousin’ trying to help Joanne to solve some mysteries on her tree.
Having failed to pin down Annie Maria, we have moved on to her father Enoch Powell born 1853.
We are doing fairly well, but have failed to locate a birth record for him.
Can anyone help please?

1911 he is at Pentwyn Farm, Newbridge age 59 widower, born Herefordshire, Abbeydore??
1901 he is at Pentwyn Isaf, Penmain, age 48, born Herefordshire, Elizabeth age 54 born Herefordshire.
RG13/4967/51 (54)/p5

1891 he is at Twyn College age 38 born Herefordshire, Kingston, Elizabeth age 43 born Herefordshire
RG12/4382/9/p11

1881, at Penmain age 28 born Kingston, Elizabeth age 33 born Clodoch, Herefordshire
RG11/5273/41/p42

1871 we have failed to find him

1861, at Kingstone Village, Enoch is with his parents William age 56 born Hay, Breconshire, a shepherd and Mary age 51 born Walterston, Herefordshire.
RG9/1822/7/p7
Thanks and Merry Christmas to all.
Rob
PS I wasn't sure whether to start new post or link it to the original thread.
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 30 December 18 22:32 GMT (UK)
This looks like his birth record - but it's not showing on the GRO site as they've transcribed it as Cnoch!
Mother's maiden name is Davis (or possibly Davies, going by potential birth records for siblings)

Enoch Powell
Q3    1853
Hereford Vol 6a, p403
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 31 December 18 09:09 GMT (UK)
GRO Birth Registration
Annie Maria Powell, Dec Qtr 1886, Newport, 11a  218 - mother's maiden name Rickards

FindMyPast Marriage (Civil)
Enoch Powell, Dec Qtr1873, Hereford, 6A 1088 - on same page Elizabeth Rickards
Title: Re: Trying to find siblings of my grandfather - Alfred Enoch Thomas Davies
Post by: Joanne Davies-Ainslie on Monday 07 January 19 16:57 GMT (UK)
We can cross Alcwyn Tom Davies off the list, I ordered his birth certificate and the parents were not Evan Thomas Davies & Annie Maria Powell.

I have ordered a birth certificate for Evan T Davies born in 1923, fingers crossed this is one of the lost siblings.

My cousin found Evan T Davies snr on the 1939 registrar so we are hoping this Evan T is jr.

Joanne