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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: corinthian on Sunday 16 December 18 09:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Just wondered if anyone out there can help. I am trying to confirm whether or not the Stephen Puddephatt who was born in about 1813/1814 in Chesham, Bucks and who married Elizabeth Adams on 20/10/1833 in Chesham, Bucks and who died in June 1856, aged 44, in Tyler's Hill, Chesham, Bucks (buried 15/06/1856 at St, Mary's Chesham, Bucks), was the son of Stephen Puddephatt (1793-1867) and Lydia Nash (1796-1833). Stephen and Lydia were not married until 16/04/1818, but I know that this doesn't always mean anything.
Via various on-line trees Stephen's parents are recorded as Stephen and Lydia, John Puddephatt and Ruth Elbourne and John Puddephatt and Ann Foord.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Coreen
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There are several wills, available at Aylesbury:
Humphrey Puddephatt, Chesham, Yeoman, 1838
Benjamin Puddephatt, Potter Row, Great Missenden, Farmer, 1850
John Puddephatt, Ashley Green, Chesham, Yeoman, 1790
John Puddephatt, Hog Lane, Chesham, Farmer, 1838
Samuel Puddephatt, Ashley Green, Chesham, Husbandman, 1782
Sarah Puddephatt, Ashley Green, Chesham, Widow of Samuel Puddephatt, husbandman, 1805
William Puddephatt, Bellingdon, Chesham, Farmer, 1847
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Hi Vance,
Thanks for that. I think I've got all of the relevant Wills - no mention of Stephen!
Regards,
Coreen
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This is just information which you have probably already gathered.
There is a marriage for Stephen Puddephatt to Sarah Barnes 1837.
This looks likely to be Stephen who was previously married to Lydia. He dies 1867 of Brockurst Farm.
Your Stephen is living in Hog Lane in 1841 close to Ann Puddephatt with her sons John and Reuben. Similarly in 1851 he is close to Reuben.
John Puddephatt married Ruth Elbourne 1808
John Puddephatt married Ann Foorde 1816
Are these the same person?
Which John left a will in 1838, I wonder.
There is a burial for a Ruth Puddephatt in 1831 but no age :-\
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Hello
Have you seen Stephen Senior's Will of 1867 ? Does that mention any grandchildren perhaps?
He left £3000 so there may be a few small things left to grandchildren and wider family,not just the wife.
Ciderdrinker
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There is a burial for a Ruth Puddephatt in 1831 but no age :-\
Buried 18 Jan 1831 age 46 (bn c1785)
The John that was buried 11 Feb 1838 was age 44
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Thanks Rosie - maybe two Johns then?
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Hello
Have you seen Stephen Senior's Will of 1867 ? Does that mention any grandchildren perhaps?
He left £3000 so there may be a few small things left to grandchildren and wider family,not just the wife.
Ciderdrinker
This is the Stephen who looks to be the one who married Lydia and Sarah, I think, looking at the names mentioned but worth investigating.
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Thanks Rosie - maybe two Johns then?
The 1837 electoral roll has
Puddephat, John Jnr Hog Lane, Chesham and Puddephat, John Chesham
The 1838 only has one John in Chesham
The elder John is on the 1841 in Ashley Green Lane, Chesham age 75 so maybe he is the one who married Ruth Elbourne?
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Thanks Rosie - maybe two Johns then?
The 1837 electoral roll has
Puddephat, John Jnr Hog Lane, Chesham and Puddephat, John Chesham
The 1838 only has one John in Chesham
The elder John is on the 1841 in Ashley Green Lane, Chesham age 75 so maybe he is the one who married Ruth Elbourne?
Ashley Green Lane continues from Hog Lane in the census. John is also there in 1851 with wife Mary.
Free Reg shows a marriage 1830 - J P, widower to Mary Dearing. Ruth died 1831.
Difficult isn't it. :-\
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Found the first marriage, I think, for that John P.
October 1790
John Puddiphatt 26 yrs and Eliz. Barnes 26 yrs bride’s abode , Ashley Green
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In 1798 there were several Puddephats in Ashley Green:
http://www.bucksrecsoc.org.uk/BRS-VOLUMES/brs-vol-22.pdf
In Ashley Green (pages 143-44):
John Puddephat, farmer
George Puddephat, servant
James Puddephat, servant
James Puddephat, labourer (lame)
Joseph Puddephat, labourer
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Found the first marriage, I think, for that John P.
October 1790
John Puddiphatt 26 yrs and Eliz. Barnes 26 yrs bride’s abode , Ashley Green
There is a burial in Chesham for Elizabeth Puddephat wife of John 11 Dec 1834 sorry that one is 1734!
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Still no Stephen and I see you have lots of info re the Puddephatts, Coreen. There are marriages but no baptisms :-\
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your responses. Just to reply to some of the queries raised. The Stephen I am trying to find out about was born in 1793 and died in 1867. He married firstly Lydia Nash in 1818 and, following her death in 1833, married Sarah Barnes in 1837. He had several children from both marriages.
The John Puddephatt who left a Will in 1838 was Stephen's brother (1791-1838). He mentions in his Will his wife, Ann, (nee Foord/Ford), and another brother, Daniel. When John married Ann Foord in 1818 he is recorded as a bachelor, so i don't think that he is the same John Puddephatt who married Ruth Elbourne in 1808.
My Stephen died in 1867 and I have looked at his National Probate Calendar record, in which it is recorded that he left a Will, but I have been unable to trace the Will online. Via the NPC record he mentions sons, Abednego, Meshach and John. The Stephen Puddephatt , born in about 1813/1814, who I suspect may have been another son, died in 1856, so wouldn't be mentioned in Stephen senior's NPC record. Stephen junior's children, though, could have been mentioned in their, (potential), grandfather's Will. One of Stephen junior's daughter's was named Lydia, after his mother???
Does anyone know where I can hold of Stephen senior's Will?
Kind regards,
Coreen
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your responses. Just to reply to some of the queries raised. The Stephen I am trying to find out about was born in 1793 and died in 1867. He married firstly Lydia Nash in 1818 and, following her death in 1833, married Sarah Barnes in 1837. He had several children from both marriages.
I am confused, your first post is not asking about that Stephen :-\ I thought you were after Stephen the youngers parents
Just wondered if anyone out there can help. I am trying to confirm whether or not the Stephen Puddephatt who was born in about 1813/1814 in Chesham, Bucks and who married Elizabeth Adams on 20/10/1833 in Chesham, Bucks and who died in June 1856, aged 44, in Tyler's Hill, Chesham, Bucks (buried 15/06/1856 at St, Mary's Chesham, Bucks),
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Hi Rosie,
I'm trying to verify if Stephen Senior (1793-1838) and Lydia Nash were the parents of the Stephen Puddephatt, born in 1813/1814. If so, he was born before their marriage in 1818, which is why I'm not sure. Hope this clarifies things for you, sorry if it's all got a little confusing!
Regards,
Coreen
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So far we have not been able to find a baptism for Stephen (the younger) but like Heywood I am more inclined to think he was part of this family and not Stephen & Lydias child.
Your Stephen is living in Hog Lane in 1841 close to Ann Puddephatt with her sons John and Reuben. Similarly in 1851 he is close to Reuben.
John Puddephatt married Ruth Elbourne 1808
John Puddephatt married Ann Foorde 1816
Are these the same person?
Which John left a will in 1838, I wonder.
There is a burial for a Ruth Puddephatt in 1831 but no age :-\
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Hi again,
John Puddephatt (1764-1858) and Elizabeth Barnes (1762-1819) were the parents of John Puddepehatt (1791-1838) and Stephen Puddephatt (1793-1867) so I think it unlikely that they would have had another son named Stephen in 1813/1814. Also Elizabeth Barnes would have been in her 50s by 1813/1814??.
NB: The widowed John Puddephatt (1764-1858) went on to marry Mary Dearing in 1830.
Kind regards,
Coreen
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I am confused a bit. You mention this Stephen but, as has been said, a different one in your post.
Hi everyone,
My Stephen died in 1867 and I have looked at his National Probate Calendar record, in which it is recorded that he left a Will, but I have been unable to trace the Will online. Via the NPC record he mentions sons, Abednego, Meshach and John. The Stephen Puddephatt , born in about 1813/1814, who I suspect may have been another son, died in 1856, so wouldn't be mentioned in Stephen senior's NPC record. Stephen junior's children, though, could have been mentioned in their, (potential), grandfather's Will. One of Stephen junior's daughter's was named Lydia, after his mother???
Does anyone know where I can hold of Stephen senior's Will?
Kind regards,
Coreen
You can obtain the will for £10, I think.
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
The index does mention those sons and two codicils.
Could the younger Stephen be the son of Ruth Elbourne?
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Hi, sorry to be confusing everyone but my original post said '...…. I am trying to confirm whether or not the Stephen Puddephatt who was born in about 1813/1814 in Chesham, Bucks and who married Elizabeth Adams on 20/10/1833 in Chesham, Bucks and who died in June 1856, aged 44, in Tyler's Hill, Chesham, Bucks (buried 15/06/1856 at St, Mary's Chesham, Bucks), was the son of Stephen Puddephatt (1793-1867) and Lydia Nash (1796-1833)'. Not quite sure where the confusion lies???
Anyway will try and get to order a copy of Stephen's Will from https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate from 1867. Hopefully that will have some information in it that will answer my query.
Kind regards,
Coreen
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Perhaps it is all down to interpretation. ;)
I thought you were trying to confirm that Stephen Puddephatt born abt 1813/14 Chesham was the son of Stephen Puddephatt b 1793 and not the others named in various trees. Your focus seemed to be the younger one.
We were trying to establish information about Stephen (1813/14) through various processes including census addresses and various marriages of the people you mention.
Later, in the thread, the emphasis shifted to the older Stephen (1793) and that’s where the confusion arose.
You have explained though now, thank you. Good luck with ordering the will.
Heywood
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Hi,
Thank you for all your input.
Regards,
Coreen
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It looks like they had been living near there, in west Herts, for a very long time. Here are two, spelling Podyfat, from the Court of Common Pleas.
Hilary term 1531, third entry:
Herts. William Beyston by his attorney versus John Wellys of Berkhamsted Magna, weaver; Thomas Podyfat, of Berkhamsted Magna, weaver; Thomas Hether, of Berkhamsted Magna, smith. Debt of 40 shillings from each.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1068/aCP40no1068fronts/IMG_0465.htm
Easter term 1416, last full entry:
Herts. John Podyfat & Christian his wife by William Halle their attorney petition versus William Boure of St Albans, eight acres of (arable) land and three acres of wood in Tytenanger/Tyttenhanger.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no621/aCP40no621fronts/IMG_0563.htm
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Hi Vance,
They must have been i the area for generations! Thanks for the links - i've not seen them before.
Regards,
Coreen
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It looks like ground zero is around Tring and Berkhamsted.
These are from Hertfordshire Lay Subsidy Rolls, 1307 and 1334
(ed. Janice Brooker and Susan Flood)
All in 1307:
Stocks, within Aldbury
Peter Pudyfat, paid 7½ d
Flamstead
John Pudyfat, paid 2 s 1¼ d
Ashridge
John Pudyfat, paid 5 s ¾ d
Adam Pudyfat, paid 3 ¾ d
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Hi Vance,
We're obviously not a very adventurous family - I still live in Hertfordshire although occasionally am known cross into another county!
Regards,
Coreen