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Dear all
I would be grateful if there are any people researching the Redpaths, Lilleys and Cloughs around the Ancroft, Norham, Ord,, Tweedmouth, Ford, Holy Island etc areas of Northumberland (Durham in 1841 census). Especially if people have access to marriage records or baptisms.
Note Redpath is also spelled Ridpath and Ridpeath etc and Clough is also spelled Cleough etc
I have been doing extensive research for years and with a combination of census records, family history and a few other researhers I am fairly confident that my Gx2 grandfather George Cl(e)ough (b approx 1845 Norham) married Eleanor/Ellenor Redpath (b c1842 Ancroft). I have tracked the most likely Eleanor to be the daughter of Robert Redpath (b c1818 Ancroft) and Mary Lilley (b c1822 around Scremerston). They lived in a range of places Cheswick, Loanend, Ford, Hipsburn etc.
Marys father was James Lilley (b c 1779 Bowsden), mother not known.
I have no information on Roberts parents (hence the request) but some other people on the site I use have his parents as George and Ellenor (both c 1791) living very close by in Cheswick on 1841 census but no full evidence of family link
I have also seen some conflicting evidence about George Clough marrying an Elizabeth Rutherford. However this contradicts my family history of a Redpath link and only one person has this link.
It is quite hard tracking these links using the census since they were mostly ag labourers who moved all over the place in that region (farm to farm) and the informant on the census often used different birth localities within what is clearly (usually) the same family. The localities often referred to farms and hamlets etc and spellings also change
Often I have noticed that birth places change according to who people are living with and where they are living. Especially women's birthplaces which sometimes seem to change to whether they are living with parents of with a husband. I have tried tracking most of the Redpaths and Cloughs availab le in that region in the 1841-91 census to try to confirm and am fairly sure of my information. However as you will know, other people's research (without sources) can often be misleading
What is hard to find are the baptism and marriage records with details of parents. So if anyone is doing that kind of research I would be grateful for any pointers
The main registration districts are Berwick and Glendale I think
regards Duncan
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I have tracked the most likely Eleanor to be the daughter of Robert Redpath (b c1818 Ancroft) and Mary Lilley (b c1882 around Scremerston). They lived in a range of places Cheswick, Loanend, Ford, Hipsburn etc.
Can you amend Mary's birthyear to 1822 please
Does the 1867 marriage certificate of George and Eleanor confirm her father was Robert?
Marriages - Eleanor Redpath,George Cleough September qtr 1867 Glendale 10b 467
The 1851 shows both Robert & Mary b Ancroft
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I have tracked the most likely Eleanor to be the daughter of Robert Redpath (b c1818 Ancroft) and Mary Lilley (b c1882 around Scremerston). They lived in a range of places Cheswick, Loanend, Ford, Hipsburn etc.
Can you amend Mary's birthyear to 1822 please
Does the 1867 marriage certificate of George and Eleanor confirm her father was Robert?
Marriages - Eleanor Redpath,George Cleough September qtr 1867 Glendale 10b 467
The 1851 shows both Robert & Mary b Ancroft
Hi,
Thanks for your post :)
sorry corrected my typo on 1822. I dont have the certificates, only complete census records and BMD. That is really the assistance I need with marriage and birth/baptism certificates/records
Also the BMD marriage shows two marriages per page usually so you can't always be 100% on who is marrying who but usually can use the pairs of names
Regarding Eleanor's parents, as I said I have done an extensive search of all variants of the Redpath family in different localities around that area of Northumberland (Durham in 1841). By far the most likely is the Eleanor (b Ancroft c 1842) since she is in the 1851 census (with Robert and Mary in Murton Sq, and James Lilley Mary's father) and is the only Eleanor Redpath of any spelling I can find in that area with a birth close to 1842. She was living as a servant in 1861 in Thornton. As I said in my original post you cant always be sure of exact identity due to localities given by informants and there are a range of localities given. She is usually given as b Ancroft which is a broad locality, except in 1881 her birth was given in neighbouring parish of Lowick. However it was the same Clough family
regards Duncan
PS Sadly I don't get much time in the UK or I would go to the records offices myself. I was hoping some people may already be researching these families or know of access to any digital records that I'm not aware of
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Is this your family
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51G-K8W
CLEUGH, MARY mmn REDPATH
1867 Sept Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 346
CLEOUGH, GEORGE mmn .REDPATH
1869 June Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 379
CLEOUGH, ROBERT mmn REDPATH
1869 June Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 379
CLEOUGH, JOHN mmn REDPATH
1871 March Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 382
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This would fit the Ancroft birth registration
REDPATH, ELEANOR mmn LILLEY
1842 Sept Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 20
The only way to confirm you are on the right track is to get the marriage certificate for Eleanor
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This would fit the Ancroft birth registration
REDPATH, ELEANOR mmn LILLEY
1842 Sept Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION Volume 25 Page 20
The only way to confirm you are on the right track is to get the marriage certificate for Eleanor
Hi Rosie
Thx. Yes, I'm hoping somehow or sometime I will be able to track down the certificate. Most of the evidence points to the Lilley's but there are so many branches of Redpaths in the area its hard to be sure.
regards Duncan
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Hi
Investing £9.25 in a copy of the marriage cert would confirm her fathers name and possibly save you a lot of time and effort if you find later you have the wrong family
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Hi
Investing £9.25 in a copy of the marriage cert would confirm her fathers name and possibly save you a lot of time and effort if you find later you have the wrong family
Hi Carole
Thanks, yes. I may try and track it down.
regards Duncan
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Hi
There is no need to try & track down the marriage. You can buy a copy online from the GRO. Reply 1 gives the reference for ordering it
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
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The marriage does not appear to be online anywhere so unless you can find someone who has already purchased it then it looks as though the only option is to get it yourself.
Please be aware that the GRO are increasing certificate prices on 16th February
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/news/gro-increase-certificate-costs-february
Rosie
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I have Redpath ancestry and about 1780-90 mine were living at Fowberry near Chatton, a few miles further south than yours. Send for that marriage cert now! Before price goes up on 16 Feb. I don,t know how you can resist it! A couple of free websites which can sometimes make it unnecessary to pay for certificates are the following
Www.freereg.org Incomplete but worth trying although not for this marriage
Family Search. Go to their list of records and select England, Diocese of Durham Bishops Transcripts, a wonderful resource of copies of parish registers unfortunately not indexed but worth searching if you know the parish and year range.
Until recently there was a website for Redpath ancestry, mainly Scottish references, but sadly it is no longer maintained. There were/are so many Redpath families in North Northumberland, many of them Presbyterian so records can be patchy. Don,t forget that before mid 19c many Redpath folk would have had cross-border marriages and a record of these will not always have survived.
Re GRO certs, for births and deaths there is also option of a much cheaper PDF format with same info. Sometimes just looking in the online index will give you the info you need, such as maiden name of mother or age at death and you do not even need to send for the PDF or cert!
I will try to help with any queries you have about Redpaths in this area.
Belfordian
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Thankyou
Will send you a message :)
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hi there i am looking for sarah redpath/ridpath's family. she is my 4th great grandmother. she was born 1804 . dont know exactly where but i think northumberland. She died in bellshill belford in childbirth 1849. She married John English born lowick 1806. i have her death certificate but nothing before she married John. thanks
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Hi Lesleyenglish I have just come across the post regarding Sarah Redpath b 1804 in I believe, Belford. Sarah was my GGG grandmother. One of her daughters, married John Turnbull my GG grandfather.
I’m afraid I cannot be of much help to you as I too am stuck with her.
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Re Sarah Redpath
I assume you have searched Anglican baptisms for a baptism but have you tried Non-conformist Baptisms. There were two Presbyterian churches in Belford at that time plus various others in the vicinity. At that time the majority of people in Belford were Presbyterian. There are over 100 Family Trees including Sarah on Ancestry website but no one seems to have cracked this one yet!
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This thread just caught my eye. I've been researching Ridpeath cousins today in the Wooler and Berwick areas, though the timeframe is more recent - 1920s onward. Any connection?