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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: BAC3 on Saturday 16 February 19 12:17 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to uncover details for this gentleman from 1861 onwards and hope someone can help.
I know he was imprisoned between 09/1857 and 01/1861. His convict documentation states his mother was Ann TANWELL living in Portland Street, Camberwell, in 1857. When he was discharged from prison in 1861 he advised the authorities his destination was Walworth. No further information from this point in all indexes I am aware of.
Thank you,
BAC3
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Tanwell seems to be a very unusual surname, I can only find 3 entries on just 1 census, 1 of a stay in a workhouse and 2 prison records,
Louisa Maud
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Yes very unusual, leads me to believe it was perhaps written incorrectly at one time from the original name.
There are births in Camberwell with vaguely similar surnames
Mar 1843 William Turnell - no MMN
Sep 1842 William Trowell - MMN Bain
Jun 1841 William Heath Trowell - MMN Heath
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I am now satisfied it was not my incompetent searching abilities failing to unearth William TANWELL, rather your messages and the general lack of response confirm he is secretive to say the least ???
Louisa Maud you mention finding "3 entries on just 1 census"..........I wonder if you would mind citing the reference please.
For the moment
BAC3
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All I found was 2 listings of courts cases plus and entry to
HAVIL STREET workhouse, date 11/03/1854 nothing else reported but it looks as if he is 16 remarks
"TO MOTHER"
How did you find out he was a brush maker?
I can't find a birth that fits but as already been suggested it could be miss transcribed
I could not find a reference number except 6 of 21
Louisa Maud
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His convict documentation states his mother was Ann TANWELL living in Portland Street, Camberwell, in 1857.
Have you looked for that address on census to see if you can find mother Tanwell or whatever her name is?
There are lots of names that end in *well but at least there is an address to go on.
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There's a Henry James Fidler at 3 Portland Place Camberwell in 1857.
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How did you find out he was a brush maker?
It’s on this record
Tanwell William 16 single Imp Brushmaker 21 Sept 1857
England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Parkhurst, Great Britain
There's this family on 1861 but not a brush maker bn 1839 :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7XJ-GQX
George Tanswell Head Male 64 Buckhorn Weston, Dorset
Ann Tanswell Daughter Female 25 Buckhorn Weston, Dorset
William Tanswell Son Male 22 Buckhorn Weston, Dorset
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When he was discharged from prison in 1861 he advised the authorities his destination was Walworth.
It does say that he had a slight speech impediment.
Long shot - he would be a year or so younger than stated later, but there is a William Stanwell, 9, in Camden Street, Walworth, in 1851. Piece 1567 folio 739 page 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGV-TGH
Mother was Ann. Not sure she was actually married to Charles Barton, but she seems to have remarried to George Adams in 1854 as Ann Stanwell, widow. Father was named as Benjamin Jones.
Ann was also a widow when she married Thomas Stanwell in Lambeth in 1839.
William Tanwell's earlier conviction at the sessions in Newington in Nov 1855 (on ancestry) says he was 13. Which is interesting, as William Stanwell, son of Thomas and Ann, was born in 1842.
Various workhouse entries for William (Wm) Tanwell.
Ditto for a Thomas (Thos) Stanwell in Southwark/Camberwell, and maybe one or two for him as Tanwell, unless they mixed up William's name. But Thomas is usually a year or two older?
The Stanwell sisters Ann + Susan might also have workhouse admissions in the early 1860s.
Birth registrations of the brothers in St George the Martyr Southwark
Sep 1840, Thomas Stanwell, mmn Jones, vol 4 page 373
Sep 1842, William Henry Stanwell, mmn Jones, vol 4 page 392
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Good Morning jonw65,
Thank you for this piece of research.......I am very grateful. It certainly looks as though you have opened up several avenues to explore profitably. 8)
For the moment,
BAC3