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Title: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Friday 08 March 19 21:19 GMT (UK)
I have been doing some research for a family who emigrated from Lettermore to the United States in the 1880s. I have located Civil Registrations (RD Oughterard) for six siblings, ranging from 1870 to 1881. I am aware that there were two other possible children born during this period but cannot find Civil records for them....possibly not registered. I am looking in particular for a record, birth/baptism of one of two missing children.

I can only locate two corresponding Baptisms in the parish of Lettermullin, one in 1874, the other in 1876. There are two Microfilms covering this period for Lettermullin, each having a different set of entries. I have also searched Baptismal records for Kilgerrill, Killoscobe, Killosolan and Kilmoylan but to no avail. All suggestions welcome.



Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: heywood on Friday 08 March 19 21:31 GMT (UK)
Do you mean you have found two baptisms for the missing children in Lettermullin rather than Lettermore?
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Friday 08 March 19 21:48 GMT (UK)
Do you mean you have found two baptisms for the missing children in Lettermullin rather than Lettermore?



Lettermore  is the island in Lettermullin Parish...  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1070

Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: heywood on Friday 08 March 19 21:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks hallmark.
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Friday 08 March 19 22:01 GMT (UK)


Not a clue where Kilgerrill, Killoscobe, Killosolan and Kilmoylan are or why they are even mentioned!   ;D
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: heywood on Friday 08 March 19 22:08 GMT (UK)
I had thought that Marcello had two baptisms with the same family names but in two different townlands  :-\
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Friday 08 March 19 22:15 GMT (UK)



Killosolan
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Killosolan,+Co.+Galway/@53.4668386,-8.4517775,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x485c12e411cd5d0f:0x134d04828954637b!8m2!3d53.4667316!4d-8.4332127

over other side of county so in another Parish and Reg District.


So it looks like 2 were born at some date and others either there or other place before or after they were in Lettermullin
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Friday 08 March 19 22:19 GMT (UK)



There are Civil Registrations (RD Oughterard) for six siblings, ranging from 1870 to 1881.


so the others might be Killosolan area Registration District :    Mountbellew

https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=119



Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Friday 08 March 19 23:26 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I seem to have caused some confusion here!

The family, according to the six Civil Birth Registrations that I found were living on the island of Lettermore in the areas of Slate or "Cremina" (Crimminagh), RD Oughterard. As Hallmark wrote, Lettermore baptisms were recorded in the parish of Lettermullin. From family records in the United States, there were two more children born during the period 1870 to 1881 of which I can find no record, making it eight children born in Ireland.

Out of  a total of eight children, I have only been able to find two baptismal records in the parish of Lettermullin, both corresponding to Civil Births that I found. I have gone through the two films for Lettermullin on www.nli.ie covering this period, all of which are quite legible. 

As I was unable to find any other records on the Lettermullin microfilms, I looked up other parishes in West Galway hence the other list. I had also checked Rosmuc, Carraroe, Kilannin and Kilcummin.

I wondered if anybody else has come up with a similar problem for baptismal records on Lettermore island?

Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Saturday 09 March 19 12:17 GMT (UK)

From family records in the United States, there were two more children born during the period 1870 to 1881 of which I can find no record, making it eight children born in Ireland.



For the 2 children whose civil births you can’t find, have you searched leaving the forename blank? At that period quite a few births were registered with no forename. They show up in the indexes as UNKNOWN. You should be able to tell from the parents names and townland whether it’s the right family or not.
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 12:24 GMT (UK)

From family records in the United States, there were two more children born during the period 1870 to 1881 of which I can find no record, making it eight children born in Ireland.



For the 2 children whose civil births you can’t find, have you searched leaving the forename blank? At that period quite a few births were registered with no forename. They show up in the indexes as UNKNOWN. You should be able to tell from the parents names and townland whether it’s the right family or not.



....also, with 6 found you should have some idea of years for the missing two during the period 1870 to 1881, so just put Surname, Year, Birth  and search for Civil Reg!
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Saturday 09 March 19 15:03 GMT (UK)
Thank you both for the advice. I have done all of that several times, including surname variants but have not found them. I've come to the conclusion that they may not have been registered, as I know from the past is a possibility. As I am searching in particular for one of these two children, that's why I was keen to find a baptismal record.

I have also taken two other birth records (possibly neighbours as they were registered on the same day in Oughterard) from the relevant Civil Registration pages that I found, with addresses in the same townland. I have looked on F*** M* P*** for a record of those. Assuming that they were RC baptisms, there doesn't seem to be a record of those either.

As I wrote earlier, there are two microfilms for baptisms in Lettermullin for the same period. I am guessing now that there may be an additional book of Church records which is not available. I thought somebody who has previously researched Lettermore could shed some light on this for me.

Thanks to those who have offered advice.

Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 15:07 GMT (UK)



Did you click on "More Information" at bottom of homepage for Parish which tell you all the existing registers?


Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 15:17 GMT (UK)



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Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Saturday 09 March 19 15:24 GMT (UK)
No, I didn't click on that. Thanks, Hallmark. I will go back and have another look.
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 15:30 GMT (UK)


Much more beneficial for you to know that Link is available for whatever Parish as many don't know it is there!   ;D

It answer any question about what Registers exists.


Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 15:36 GMT (UK)




So....with that area being a very strong Gaelic speaking area, even today. could they gave been registered under Gaelic name??

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Saturday 09 March 19 15:45 GMT (UK)
I've just had a look at the link. It certainly opens up some new possibilities, thanks. I had assumed because nothing appeared online (for the non-subscription one) that the record wasn't there. It might be worth a trip to the Glasnevin centre which I've been talking about doing for a long time anyway. The family are very happy to have the siblings' records and a placename, but of course it would be even better to find the record of their direct ancestor.

I did think of the Irish surnames, given that it is a Gaeltacht area. All of the entries appear to be in English. I'm sure that this added to the variations in surname spellings too.
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 09 March 19 15:50 GMT (UK)



I was thinking "Did a Gaelic-speaking midwife Register the Births?"   ;D

Maybe born and Baptized in a Hospital??
Title: Re: Baptisms in Lettermore
Post by: Marcello on Saturday 09 March 19 16:29 GMT (UK)
You'd never know....anything is possible!  :)