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Title: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Saturday 16 March 19 18:11 GMT (UK)
Researching the following

Ellen Thorpe married to William Sunderland I’m around 1900? They both perished in 1918 in the Spanish flu

I would like info on the Thorpe family and surname

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:19 GMT (UK)



1911 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nix/


then just change year to 1901 and search
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:24 GMT (UK)



Civil reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for thorpe of Enniscorthy


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01niy/

you can select Marriage etc from list on left also 1800/1900's as required








Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:30 GMT (UK)




Marriage results for Sunderland from 1890 to 1905 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01niz/  doesn't show a Marriage registered for them anywhere in Oreland
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:37 GMT (UK)



Weren't the Sunderlands Church of Ireland??

You could try  https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project/bunclody-union-ferns  if they were.
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:44 GMT (UK)




Name   ELLEN SUNDERLAND
Date of Death   1918
Group Registration ID   5676329
SR District/Reg Area   Enniscorthy
Deceased Age at Death   28

and Wm next entry??

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05168/4425792.pdf


IF that is the correct Ellen!
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:47 GMT (UK)



They were R.C.


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/The_Harrow/Ballyhaddock/1789201/

Margaret registered the Deaths!
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 18:49 GMT (UK)




https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0594  Ferns   RC

other Parishes via map!



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 19:09 GMT (UK)



They were R.C.


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/The_Harrow/Ballyhaddock/1789201/

Margaret registered the Deaths!


Parent's Marriage?  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10845/5959738.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 16 March 19 19:24 GMT (UK)




Party 1 Name   WILLIAM SUNDERLAND
Party 2 Name   ELLEN FURLONG
Date of Event   08 July 1909
Group Registration ID   1898960
SR District/Reg Area   Enniscorthy is the only Wm/Ellen marriage registered!!


https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf


Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 15:51 GMT (UK)

Hello

Yes this is my Ellen. I’m trying to find her parents ?

Any help much appreciated


Name   ELLEN SUNDERLAND
Date of Death   1918
Group Registration ID   5676329
SR District/Reg Area   Enniscorthy
Deceased Age at Death   28

and Wm next entry??

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05168/4425792.pdf


IF that is the correct Ellen!
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 17 March 19 15:55 GMT (UK)
A possibility??

birth for an Ellen Furlong Enniscorthy 1890 (Parents Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf

who marries William Sunderland in 1909:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf

children:
Margaret 20/1/1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01579/1636066.pdf

Ellen 23/4/1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01526/1619136.pdf

Mary 13/6/1913:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01449/1592493.pdf

Possibly Bridget 10/9/1914:


Elizabeth 24/12/1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01318/1544685.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 17 March 19 15:57 GMT (UK)
Marriage Thomas Furlang + Ellen Thorpe 1879:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11076/8053357.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 16:09 GMT (UK)
Thavkbyou - these are all my ancestors ... I would like to know more about the name Thorpe ?

Any help again appreciated

Thanks quote author=candrjm link=topic=810083.msg6700039#msg6700039 date=1552838121]
A possibility??

birth for an Ellen Furlong Enniscorthy 1890 (Parents Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf

who marries William Sunderland in 1909:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf

children:
Margaret 20/1/1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01579/1636066.pdf

Ellen 23/4/1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01526/1619136.pdf

Mary 13/6/1913:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01449/1592493.pdf

Possibly Bridget 10/9/1914:


Elizabeth 24/12/1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01318/1544685.pdf
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Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 17:03 GMT (UK)
Any information on John Lacey please?

Thank you
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 17:20 GMT (UK)
Hi

I noticed Ellen Thorpes Mother is Ellen thorpe but father is Thomas furlong? Does this make Ellen illegitimate ??? quote author=candrjm link=topic=810083.msg6700042#msg6700042 date=1552838250]
Marriage Thomas Furlang + Ellen Thorpe 1879:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11076/8053357.pdf
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Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 17:25 GMT (UK)
Thavkbyou - these are all my ancestors ... I would like to know more about the name Thorpe ?

Any help again appreciated

 
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1911 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nix/


then just change year to 1901 and search



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 17 March 19 17:34 GMT (UK)
Ellen Thorpe married Thomas Furlong in 1879
They had a daughter Ellen Furlong in 1890
Ellen Furlong married William Sutherland in 1909


Ellen Thorpe's father was Andrew Thorpe according to the marriage cert in 1879

Birth reg for Ellen Furlong:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf

records Mother as Ellen Furlong formerly Thorpe
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 17 March 19 17:57 GMT (UK)
This looks like Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe) and family in the 1901 census(note they are living in Kilbora where Ellen was born in 1890:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Kilbora/Kilbora/1789167/

Birth registrations for Ellen Furlong's siblings shown on this census:

Mary born 1882:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02768/2015863.pdf

Bridget born 1888:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02503/1928135.pdf

Kate born 1896:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02158/1818298.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 17:59 GMT (UK)
quote author=candrjm link=topic=810083.msg6700139#msg6700139 date=1552844071]

Ahhh yes thank you. My mistake there with Ellen. I’m also now trying to find Andrew Thorpe but to no avail? Sorry I’m a novice
Ellen Thorpe married Thomas Furlong in 1879
They had a daughter Ellen Furlong in 1890
Ellen Furlong married William Sutherland in 1909


Ellen Thorpe's father was Andrew Thorpe according to the marriage cert in 1879

Birth reg for Ellen Furlong:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf

records Mother as Ellen Furlong formerly Thorpe
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Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 18:01 GMT (UK)
Struggling to find birth or marriage or even death for Andrew Thorpe ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 18:18 GMT (UK)




Did you look for Andrew on Census?




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 18:26 GMT (UK)
I did yesand I can’t seem to find him ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 18:31 GMT (UK)
I only found 1 Andrew Thorpe on 1911 census age 42 but it doesn’t seem to for considering his daughter married in 1879?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 18:36 GMT (UK)


C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for thor* of Enniscorthy DISTRICT

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nj8/
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 18:52 GMT (UK)
I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 18:54 GMT (UK)
I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?



Date of Death?  or Link to Cert?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 18:59 GMT (UK)
I mean was he Born in Wexford ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 18:59 GMT (UK)
I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?



influenza   5 days





Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 19:01 GMT (UK)
I mean was he Born in Wexford ?


On Census it says born Co Wexford!
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 19:10 GMT (UK)
I mean was he Born in Wexford ?


Yes he was...


Name   ANDREW THORPE
Date of Birth   1867
Group Registration ID   7723056
SR District/Reg Area   Enniscorthy


https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03482/2279830.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 19:13 GMT (UK)



C Reg  Birth, Marriage and Death results for thor* of Enniscorthy

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nj8/

you can select Births etc and time frame from list on Left




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 19:26 GMT (UK)
The problem I’ve got with his birth is 1967 but his daughter Ellen got married in 1879?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 19:28 GMT (UK)



You were asking about the Death of Andrew....my reply refers to it.



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 19:29 GMT (UK)





https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 20:25 GMT (UK)
Year of Census Extract   1851
Surname of Applicant Thorpe
Christian name of Applicant  Bridget
Applicant's present address  Mrs Bridget Brooks, Rossard, Templeshambo P O, Co Wexford
Surname of Father  Thorpe
Christian name of Father  Andrew

Maiden Surname of Mother  Brien
Christian name of Mother  Mary
Residence Location - County   Wexford
Residence Location - Barony  Scarawalsh
Residence Location - Parish  Templeshanbo
Residence Location - Townland   Rossard



 http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp


http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246717/007246717_00520.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 20:31 GMT (UK)



Residence Location - Townland   Rossard


https://www.logainm.ie/52658.aspx  Rossard




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 20:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your help.

I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 20:42 GMT (UK)




On the census links posted just change the surname and search
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 20:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your help.

I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?



also

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

just put surname in and search

or also put district if you want



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:00 GMT (UK)
Year of Census Extract   1851
Surname of Applicant Thorpe
Christian name of Applicant  Bridget
Applicant's present address  Mrs Bridget Brooks, Rossard, Templeshambo P O, Co Wexford
Surname of Father  Thorpe
Christian name of Father  Andrew

Maiden Surname of Mother  Brien
Christian name of Mother  Mary
Residence Location - County   Wexford
Residence Location - Barony  Scarawalsh
Residence Location - Parish  Templeshanbo
Residence Location - Townland   Rossard



 http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp


http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246717/007246717_00520.pdf




No obvious marriage for her on C Reg!



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your help.

I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?


C reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for guigoyle

No results found.



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 21:05 GMT (UK)
I have just tried to look for a marriage for John Lacey to this Margaret (Guilfoyle?) and I can’t find anything ?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 21:07 GMT (UK)
The only one I found was their daughters birth ? Margaret Lacey September 1864
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:08 GMT (UK)



Bridget is quite possibly Ellen's sister.....




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:19 GMT (UK)



IF Ellen dau of Andrew  AND Bridget dau of Andrew  were sisters, then you know they weren't there in 1851, plus you have the Year they were born at the latest.





Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 21:27 GMT (UK)
Yes I’m thinking Bridget is Ellen’s sister. I’m just puzzled by Andrews birth 1867 because his daughter Ellen was married just 12 years later?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:34 GMT (UK)




Obviously she wasn't his daughter....



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 21:43 GMT (UK)
Is it safe to say Andrew thorpes wife died as stated on the Bridget thorpes 1851 census return?
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:45 GMT (UK)




99% Yes.



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 21:47 GMT (UK)




Obviously she wasn't his daughter....


Possibly Nephew of Bridget and Ellen 



Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 21:53 GMT (UK)
And it’s safe to say this Andrew Thorpe is the father of my Ellen Thorpe who went on to marry Thomas furlong in 1879?

Sorry... I’m just putting all of this together.. idk why but I seem to be hitting brick walls?!
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 22:00 GMT (UK)




 And it’s not safe to say this Andrew Thorpe is the father of  Ellen Thorpe who went on to marry Thomas furlong in 1879 until you search the Church Registers for her Baptism and find her.....




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 22:03 GMT (UK)
I was just going by her marriage cert stating her fathers name Andrew Thorpe? I’ve looked for him and only found the one in 1867 (birth) and the Andrew you sent to me on the 1851 census? So I’m trying to understand who these 2 Andrews are and even if they’re connected??
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 22:10 GMT (UK)



Andrew might be g.father of  the one born in 1867  , the father is named on cert, you won't know until you search the Church Registers for his Baptism and Marriage
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK)
This is where I struggle.. I can’t even find Andrews daughter “Ellen thorpes” birth ? Just her marriage to Thomas furlong
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 22:20 GMT (UK)



Won't be in Civil Reg.....




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Sunday 17 March 19 22:31 GMT (UK)
Ahhhh ok - thank you! And for your kind help also.
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 17 March 19 22:45 GMT (UK)



Already posted.....
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line




Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: hallmark on Monday 18 March 19 03:39 GMT (UK)



Another Pension application of Bridget THORPE dau of Michael Mary THORPE Rossard Templeshanbo Scarawalsh Wexford 1921 - Agent, Templeshambo P.O., Ferns, Wexford.

Family - Bridget, Mary, Owen, Thomas, Kate.

___________________________________

1851 Census search found  Mary Thorpe 61, head, widow, Michael 25, son, not married, Margt. 20, daughter, not married, Bridget 16, daughter, not married, Anne 8, relation, Thomas 23, son , absent, Michael 76, head, died 1850.

_______________________

1851 Census search found  Mick 38 and Mary 25 Thorp (married 1848),  Thomas 24, son, David 25, son, Mary 27, daughter, Owen 67, father died 1850, Mary 60, mother, died 1850

_______________________


Looks like she didn't know who father was...  OR.... was just chancing her arm!





Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: candrjm on Tuesday 19 March 19 12:34 GMT (UK)
Possible death for Thomas Furlong (1907)(wife Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe) informant):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05519/4547091.pdf

Possibly widow Ellen in 1911 (records her mother as Mary Thorpe):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballymore/Kilcasey__Lower/677954/


Marriage for Thomas and Ellen Furlong's daughter Bridget (1922):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09207/5330806.pdf

Possible death for Ellen Furlong in 1936 (informant: daughter Bridget Walker):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04811/4295204.pdf
Title: Re: Thorpe surname in co Wexford around ferns
Post by: Delders77 on Tuesday 19 March 19 15:38 GMT (UK)
Hi

Yes I can’t across those yesterday in my research. Thank you though for posting.
Still struggling with Andrew Thorpe though ?