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Researching the following
Ellen Thorpe married to William Sunderland I’m around 1900? They both perished in 1918 in the Spanish flu
I would like info on the Thorpe family and surname
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
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1911 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nix/
then just change year to 1901 and search
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Civil reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for thorpe of Enniscorthy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01niy/
you can select Marriage etc from list on left also 1800/1900's as required
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Marriage results for Sunderland from 1890 to 1905 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01niz/ doesn't show a Marriage registered for them anywhere in Oreland
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Weren't the Sunderlands Church of Ireland??
You could try https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project/bunclody-union-ferns if they were.
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Name ELLEN SUNDERLAND
Date of Death 1918
Group Registration ID 5676329
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy
Deceased Age at Death 28
and Wm next entry??
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05168/4425792.pdf
IF that is the correct Ellen!
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They were R.C.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/The_Harrow/Ballyhaddock/1789201/
Margaret registered the Deaths!
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0594 Ferns RC
other Parishes via map!
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They were R.C.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/The_Harrow/Ballyhaddock/1789201/
Margaret registered the Deaths!
Parent's Marriage? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10845/5959738.pdf
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Party 1 Name WILLIAM SUNDERLAND
Party 2 Name ELLEN FURLONG
Date of Event 08 July 1909
Group Registration ID 1898960
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy is the only Wm/Ellen marriage registered!!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf
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Hello
Yes this is my Ellen. I’m trying to find her parents ?
Any help much appreciated
Name ELLEN SUNDERLAND
Date of Death 1918
Group Registration ID 5676329
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy
Deceased Age at Death 28
and Wm next entry??
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05168/4425792.pdf
IF that is the correct Ellen!
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A possibility??
birth for an Ellen Furlong Enniscorthy 1890 (Parents Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf
who marries William Sunderland in 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf
children:
Margaret 20/1/1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01579/1636066.pdf
Ellen 23/4/1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01526/1619136.pdf
Mary 13/6/1913:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01449/1592493.pdf
Possibly Bridget 10/9/1914:
Elizabeth 24/12/1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01318/1544685.pdf
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Marriage Thomas Furlang + Ellen Thorpe 1879:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11076/8053357.pdf
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Thavkbyou - these are all my ancestors ... I would like to know more about the name Thorpe ?
Any help again appreciated
Thanks quote author=candrjm link=topic=810083.msg6700039#msg6700039 date=1552838121]
A possibility??
birth for an Ellen Furlong Enniscorthy 1890 (Parents Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf
who marries William Sunderland in 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10029/5648214.pdf
children:
Margaret 20/1/1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01579/1636066.pdf
Ellen 23/4/1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01526/1619136.pdf
Mary 13/6/1913:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01449/1592493.pdf
Possibly Bridget 10/9/1914:
Elizabeth 24/12/1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01318/1544685.pdf
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Any information on John Lacey please?
Thank you
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Hi
I noticed Ellen Thorpes Mother is Ellen thorpe but father is Thomas furlong? Does this make Ellen illegitimate ??? quote author=candrjm link=topic=810083.msg6700042#msg6700042 date=1552838250]
Marriage Thomas Furlang + Ellen Thorpe 1879:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11076/8053357.pdf
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Thavkbyou - these are all my ancestors ... I would like to know more about the name Thorpe ?
Any help again appreciated
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1911 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nix/
then just change year to 1901 and search
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Ellen Thorpe married Thomas Furlong in 1879
They had a daughter Ellen Furlong in 1890
Ellen Furlong married William Sutherland in 1909
Ellen Thorpe's father was Andrew Thorpe according to the marriage cert in 1879
Birth reg for Ellen Furlong:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf
records Mother as Ellen Furlong formerly Thorpe
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This looks like Thomas and Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe) and family in the 1901 census(note they are living in Kilbora where Ellen was born in 1890:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Kilbora/Kilbora/1789167/
Birth registrations for Ellen Furlong's siblings shown on this census:
Mary born 1882:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02768/2015863.pdf
Bridget born 1888:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02503/1928135.pdf
Kate born 1896:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02158/1818298.pdf
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Ahhh yes thank you. My mistake there with Ellen. I’m also now trying to find Andrew Thorpe but to no avail? Sorry I’m a novice
Ellen Thorpe married Thomas Furlong in 1879
They had a daughter Ellen Furlong in 1890
Ellen Furlong married William Sutherland in 1909
Ellen Thorpe's father was Andrew Thorpe according to the marriage cert in 1879
Birth reg for Ellen Furlong:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02427/1903950.pdf
records Mother as Ellen Furlong formerly Thorpe
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Struggling to find birth or marriage or even death for Andrew Thorpe ?
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Did you look for Andrew on Census?
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I did yesand I can’t seem to find him ?
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I only found 1 Andrew Thorpe on 1911 census age 42 but it doesn’t seem to for considering his daughter married in 1879?
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for thor* of Enniscorthy DISTRICT
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nj8/
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I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?
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I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?
Date of Death? or Link to Cert?
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I mean was he Born in Wexford ?
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I can’t really read the death of him ... was it influenza ? Also I can’t seem to find any birth ?
influenza 5 days
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I mean was he Born in Wexford ?
On Census it says born Co Wexford!
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I mean was he Born in Wexford ?
Yes he was...
Name ANDREW THORPE
Date of Birth 1867
Group Registration ID 7723056
SR District/Reg Area Enniscorthy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03482/2279830.pdf
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for thor* of Enniscorthy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nj8/
you can select Births etc and time frame from list on Left
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The problem I’ve got with his birth is 1967 but his daughter Ellen got married in 1879?
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You were asking about the Death of Andrew....my reply refers to it.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Year of Census Extract 1851
Surname of Applicant Thorpe
Christian name of Applicant Bridget
Applicant's present address Mrs Bridget Brooks, Rossard, Templeshambo P O, Co Wexford
Surname of Father Thorpe
Christian name of Father Andrew
Maiden Surname of Mother Brien
Christian name of Mother Mary
Residence Location - County Wexford
Residence Location - Barony Scarawalsh
Residence Location - Parish Templeshanbo
Residence Location - Townland Rossard
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246717/007246717_00520.pdf
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Residence Location - Townland Rossard
https://www.logainm.ie/52658.aspx Rossard
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Thanks for all your help.
I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?
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On the census links posted just change the surname and search
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Thanks for all your help.
I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?
also
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
just put surname in and search
or also put district if you want
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Year of Census Extract 1851
Surname of Applicant Thorpe
Christian name of Applicant Bridget
Applicant's present address Mrs Bridget Brooks, Rossard, Templeshambo P O, Co Wexford
Surname of Father Thorpe
Christian name of Father Andrew
Maiden Surname of Mother Brien
Christian name of Mother Mary
Residence Location - County Wexford
Residence Location - Barony Scarawalsh
Residence Location - Parish Templeshanbo
Residence Location - Townland Rossard
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246717/007246717_00520.pdf
No obvious marriage for her on C Reg!
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Thanks for all your help.
I’ve just found s record for Margaret lacy (Thomas sunderlands wife) her mother’s surname was guigoyle? Any info on this surname ?
C reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for guigoyle
No results found.
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I have just tried to look for a marriage for John Lacey to this Margaret (Guilfoyle?) and I can’t find anything ?
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The only one I found was their daughters birth ? Margaret Lacey September 1864
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Bridget is quite possibly Ellen's sister.....
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IF Ellen dau of Andrew AND Bridget dau of Andrew were sisters, then you know they weren't there in 1851, plus you have the Year they were born at the latest.
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Yes I’m thinking Bridget is Ellen’s sister. I’m just puzzled by Andrews birth 1867 because his daughter Ellen was married just 12 years later?
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Obviously she wasn't his daughter....
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Is it safe to say Andrew thorpes wife died as stated on the Bridget thorpes 1851 census return?
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99% Yes.
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Obviously she wasn't his daughter....
Possibly Nephew of Bridget and Ellen
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And it’s safe to say this Andrew Thorpe is the father of my Ellen Thorpe who went on to marry Thomas furlong in 1879?
Sorry... I’m just putting all of this together.. idk why but I seem to be hitting brick walls?!
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And it’s not safe to say this Andrew Thorpe is the father of Ellen Thorpe who went on to marry Thomas furlong in 1879 until you search the Church Registers for her Baptism and find her.....
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I was just going by her marriage cert stating her fathers name Andrew Thorpe? I’ve looked for him and only found the one in 1867 (birth) and the Andrew you sent to me on the 1851 census? So I’m trying to understand who these 2 Andrews are and even if they’re connected??
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Andrew might be g.father of the one born in 1867 , the father is named on cert, you won't know until you search the Church Registers for his Baptism and Marriage
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This is where I struggle.. I can’t even find Andrews daughter “Ellen thorpes” birth ? Just her marriage to Thomas furlong
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Won't be in Civil Reg.....
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Ahhhh ok - thank you! And for your kind help also.
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Already posted.....
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Another Pension application of Bridget THORPE dau of Michael Mary THORPE Rossard Templeshanbo Scarawalsh Wexford 1921 - Agent, Templeshambo P.O., Ferns, Wexford.
Family - Bridget, Mary, Owen, Thomas, Kate.
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1851 Census search found Mary Thorpe 61, head, widow, Michael 25, son, not married, Margt. 20, daughter, not married, Bridget 16, daughter, not married, Anne 8, relation, Thomas 23, son , absent, Michael 76, head, died 1850.
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1851 Census search found Mick 38 and Mary 25 Thorp (married 1848), Thomas 24, son, David 25, son, Mary 27, daughter, Owen 67, father died 1850, Mary 60, mother, died 1850
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Looks like she didn't know who father was... OR.... was just chancing her arm!
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Possible death for Thomas Furlong (1907)(wife Ellen Furlong (nee Thorpe) informant):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05519/4547091.pdf
Possibly widow Ellen in 1911 (records her mother as Mary Thorpe):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballymore/Kilcasey__Lower/677954/
Marriage for Thomas and Ellen Furlong's daughter Bridget (1922):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09207/5330806.pdf
Possible death for Ellen Furlong in 1936 (informant: daughter Bridget Walker):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04811/4295204.pdf
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Hi
Yes I can’t across those yesterday in my research. Thank you though for posting.
Still struggling with Andrew Thorpe though ?