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Hi all,
I have found my ancestor in the 1851/1861/1871 and 1891/1901/1911 census returns but his whole family appear to be missing from the 1881 census.
All returns give the family living in Gloucester and the son Absalom is married in Gloucester in 1891 and I can't see that any of the other sons died in the meantime so there should be a family something like this in 1881:
Robert Edward REES/REECE Head b 1849 Gloucester, Shipwright or Carpenter maybe
(H)Esther Harriet (Ann?) Wife b 1846 in Ross, Herefordshire
Absalom Henry b 1868 Gloucester?
Robert Edward b 1871 Gloucester
Thomas b 1873 Gloucester
William Edwin b 1876 Gloucester
I haven't been able to find a birth record for Absalom or find him in the 1891 Census either.
I assume either the family moved somewhere else or the surname has been recorded differently but I have searched everywhere and everyway I can think of with the limited census access I have and come up with nothing.
Can anyone find them??
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Is this Roberts marriage
Sep qtr 1868
Brawn Esther
Rees Robert
Gloucester 6a 432
Probably Absalom's birth
REES, HANCEL HENRY MMN BRAWN
1868 Dec Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 269
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Ancestry has a copy of the Marriage Entry
22 September 1868 at the Parish Church of St Mark in the County of Gloucester
Robert REES aged 20, Bachelor, occupation: Shipwright, residence at time of marriage: Park Street
father: Robert REES, Shipwright
Esther BRAWN - aged 20 - Spinster, residence: Park Street, father: John BRAWN, Blacksmith
both sign their name
witnesses: Joseph EDWARD and Amelia EDWARD x her mark
The surname BRAWN - as been overwritten both on Esther's surname and her father's.
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GRO Index
REES - mother's maiden name: BRAWN (not sure if these are all Robert's and Esther's family)
Robert Edward
1870 J Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A - Page 261
Thomas
1873 M Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A - Page 284
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Mary Ann
1877 S Atr in Neath Volume 11A page 570
Susanna
1880 D Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 488
John
1883 J Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 612
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Mary Ann
1886 S Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A Page 277
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Jane
1887 D Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 622
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There is a big gap between the children or Robert & Esther (almost ten years between William aged 15 and Mary aged 5 on the 1891 census)
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1891 Barbican Rd, Gloucester
Robert Reece Ship Carpenter bn Gloucester
Esther Reece bn Ross
Thomas Reece 18 bn Gloucester
William Reece 15 bn Gloucester
Mary Reece 5 bn Gloucester
Robert & Esthers ages are way out but partly illegible
RG12/2012 f57 p17
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Is this Roberts marriage
Sep qtr 1868
Brawn Esther
Rees Robert
Gloucester 6a 432
Probably Absalom's birth
REES, HANCEL HENRY MMN BRAWN
1868 Dec Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 269
Yes, I think that is the marriage and I had my eye on Hancel Henry as the only possible match for Absalom and I have just found an Ansell Reece on the 1891 Census as a lodger with the Oakley family!
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GRO Index
REES - mother's maiden name: BRAWN (not sure if these are all Robert's and Esther's family)
Robert Edward
1870 J Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A - Page 261
Thomas
1873 M Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A - Page 284
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Mary Ann
1877 S Atr in Neath Volume 11A page 570
Susanna
1880 D Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 488
John
1883 J Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 612
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Mary Ann
1886 S Qtr in Gloucester Volume 06A Page 277
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Jane
1887 D Qtr in Neath Volume 11A Page 622
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There is a big gap between the children or Robert & Esther (almost ten years between William aged 15 and Mary aged 5 on the 1891 census)
An even bigger gap if you assume Absalom/Hancel Henry was born in 1868. Although that marriage and birth date looks suspiciously close.
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When Robert Edward REES enlisted with the Gloucestershire Regiment - in 1889 (on Ancestry)
He gives his father's address as No. 2 Barbican Buildings, Gloucester - so the family were there before the 1891 census - still can't find them 1881 census!
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Baptism Glos St Nicholas
20 December 1868
Hansell Henry REESE - parents: Robert & Ann - occupation of Robert: Ship Carpenter
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I have just noticed that in the 1871 Census it looks like Robert Edward REES is living in the same house as John BRAWN father of Roberts wife Esther.
The BRAWN family members are given as:
John BRAWN Head b 1799 Sandhurst, Gloucester
Ann Wife b 1805 Norfolk, Runton
Eliza Dau b 1830 Ireland
Anselm Son b 1846 Hereford
So it looks like Absalom was named after a BRAWN family member but called Absalom to avoid confusion maybe?
Can anyone find the BRAWNs in 1881?
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GRO INDEX
BRAWN - mother's maiden name: PAINE
Ansolom - 1845 M Qtr in Hereford and Dore - Volume 26 Page 180
? John BRAWN marrying in Norfolk and having Eliza in Ireland would possibly indicate Military
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Transcribed on Ancestry as BROWN
Marriage at St James, Gloucester 8 February 1875
Daniel WEBB aged 60, Widower, labourer, High Street, Tredworth: father: Joseph WEBB - Cooper
Eliza BRAWN - aged 46, Spinster, Laundrefs - Moreton Street, father John BRAWN, Blacksmith
witnesses: John BRAWN his mark
Sarah Ann RICKARDS x her mark
Eliza WEBB aged 63 born 1828 Ireland - is living Gloucester St Nicholas 1891 - and a Widow (cripple)
John BRAWN died in 1876 Gloucester St Nicholas - aged 79
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1881 Census, 6 Moreton Street, Gloucester Barton St Mary
Eliza WEBB aged 55, Laundress, Widow - born Ireland, Clare
with with Alfred C Shergold aged 21 and his wife Mary J aged 23 + Bertran C
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So... it’s been a while but I am still searching!
Can anyone advise on what to do next?
Firstly, other than this reply which will bump my post, should I do anything else on here to get more people to look into this again?
Is there a method to work through when someone is missing from a census?
What other possibilities are there other than mis-transcribing -
Abstention?
Moved abroad?
Went to sea (he was a ships carpenter)?
I think the family were in Gloucester in 1876 and in 1886 for the birth of children William Edwin and Mary Ann but there is a 10 year gap.
I haven’t found a baptism yet for Mary Ann to find an address but I have found the baptism of William Edwin Rees in Gloucester St James on 27 Feb 1876.
Gloucestershire Anglican Parish Registers
Fathers name was written as Anselm but then crossed out & replaced with Robert Edward.
Could either a young Absalom/Hancel Henry Rees or Esther Brawns brother Anselm Brawn have been present and confused the clerk??
Their address is given as Back Terrace.
I have searched page by page through the Back Terrace & Barbican Road (resident in 1889) address pages of the 1881 census for Gloucester Barton St Michael but couldn’t see any names that could have been mis-transcribed from Rees.
I have also tried to search the 1881 census for the other Rees children with MMN of Brawn mentioned previously - Mary Ann and Susanna, who were born near Neath, but without success.
I would also like to find Esthers brother Anselm Brawn b1845 in the 1881 census as I can’t find him either.
Any more help gratefully received!
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Purchase of Mary Ann's birth certificate will give you the address in 1886. You can order direct from GRO and pay only £7.00 for a .pdf copy.
Mary Ann Rees - September quarter 1886 - Gloucester Registration District, Volume No: 6a, page 277.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
You will need to register.
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Gloucestershire BMD Indexes
Child Surname: REES
Child Forename: Mary Ann
Mother's Former Name: BRAWN
Year: 1886
District: Gloucester
Office: Gloucester, St Nicholas
Register: 27
Entry: 282
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Baptism at Gloucester St Nicholas, 4th July 1886
Mary Ann REES, parents: Robert (Shipwright) and Hester - residence: St Nicholas
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26 January 1873,
Thomas REES, parents: Robert Edward (Shipwright) & Esther Harriet - residence: St Nicholas
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Using Family Search as a guide - managed to find Absolom BROWN!!! aged 36 on the 1881 census (he was a Miller on the 1871 census)
Gloucestershire, Berkeley
PIPER
Thomas - 40 - born Kidderminster, Worcs
Mary Jane - 44
George W - 17 -
Emma - 15
ABSALOM BROWN (reads BRAWN)- Male - Board - 36 born Hereford, Herefordshire - unmarried, Corn Puter?
(There is a death Sept Qtr 1900, Gloucester of Absalom BRAWN aged 55 birth 1845)
GloucestershireBMD - gives the District as Gloucester St John the Baptist
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Gloucestershire Records Office has
Robert REES 1869 Shipwright aged 40 - 1 October 1869 - Gaol record. Ancestry 1865 - for assualting and beating Ann REES