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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: East View on Wednesday 24 April 19 14:26 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help please?
I am trying to find the modern day location of Mutton Row Kirkcaldy from approximately 1860.
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Can you tell us where this address came from please?
How exactly was the address written?
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The address Mutton Row appears on a marriage certificate from approx. 1860.
The marriage was between Richard Watters coal miner of Mutton Row Kirkcaldy and Jane Crichton domestic servant of Gallatown, parish of Dysart.
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Thanks for that. :)
Do you have them in the 1861 census? I presume they are not at Mutton Row? :-\
Added: You say "approx 1860" .... do you have the marriage certificate?
The reason I am asking about the address is sometimes there is an extra street name or similar which can help. There may be mention of the street in directories but I do not have access. I have only had a quick look so far on one map but not managed to find it. I did see a "Garden Row" which was a small row of terrace houses, which made me wonder if Mutton Row may also be a terrace. I was hoping that the address may have be something like Mutton Row, Something Street, Kirkcaldy. :-\
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Thank you for your reply.
I only have sight of part of the marriage certificate which has been sent to me from a relative in New Zealand.
I can now confirm the marriage took place on the 7th Jan 1861 in Dysart.
On the 1861 census they are shown as living at Main street Dysart.
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Muttonhall Colliery Houses , but it's 1911 :-\
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/research/census-records/street-indexes/1911/1911-kirkcaldy-and-dysart.pdf
ev
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Wonderful.
That now makes sense. According to the 1871 census, listed on Ancestry, they are show as living at Materhall colling Kirkcaldy. This had obviously been misread but I could not imagine what the address might be.
A very big thank you to you both.
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Found this -
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.1346&lon=-3.1789&layers=168&b=1
ev
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Once again a very big thank you ev.
This latest link is going to keep me busy for months.
Peter
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Muttonhall and Muttonhall Colliery Houses sound a bit different from just plain “Mutton Row”. It semss like the right place though given that they are living there in 1871. Perhaps Mutton Row was a local name for the colliery houses?
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I still have some work to do on this but I have come to the same conclusion as you.
I just need to confirm it.
I will be visiting Dysart in June and plan to walk the area. Perhaps from the ground things may be a little clearer.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Muttonhall and Muttonhall Colliery Houses sounds a bit different from just plain “Mutton Row”. It sounds like the right place though given that they are living there in 1871. Perhaps Mutton Row was a local name for the colliery houses?
I think that is very likely.
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Thanks.
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On the 1881 Census the family are living at Dunnikier Cottages , Kirkcaldy.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.1210&lon=-3.1545&layers=168&b=1
ev
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On the 1881 Census the family are living at Dunnikier Cottages , Kirkcaldy.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.1210&lon=-3.1545&layers=168&b=1
ev
If you are heading that way to look at some of these places Peter, you will find some of them no longer exist.
Dunniker Cottages:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=56.1209&lon=-3.1539&layers=168&right=BingHyb
Scroll NW to find Muttonhall and Muttonhall Cottages:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=56.1341&lon=-3.1784&layers=168&right=BingHyb
As an aside, I note that there is a Dunniker House a way north of Dunniker Cottages:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=56.1353&lon=-3.1629&layers=168&right=BingHyb
(Dunniker House is not relevant to this search but it made me wonder if Mutton Row is different from Muttonhall Cottages) ... so many similar place names but in different areas .... :-\
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We are aware most of the places where the family lived no longer exist. They were probably of poor quality even then and it was a long time ago. I am travelling from North Wales and my cousin is travelling from New Zealand and it will just be satisfying to walk the streets they walked and to find our roots.
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Having seen the map, and noted that there were only two cottages at Muttonhall Cottages, I take back my agreement that they are likely to have been the same as Mutton Row. I think a 'Row' would have to consist of more than just two cottages.
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There's a district in the west of Edinburgh, near Cramond, called Davidson's Mains, after the individual who bought the land here in the late 18th century, but before that it was called Muttonhole. It's thought the name might be connected with sheep grazing.
Harry
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Having seen the map, and noted that there were only two cottages at Muttonhall Cottages, I take back my agreement that they are likely to have been the same as Mutton Row. I think a 'Row' would have to consist of more than just two cottages.
I tend to agree Forfarian - you would expect a “Row” to contain more than two dwellings.
It might be worth using a couple of credits to download the 1871 census on Scotlands People to see if “Matterhall colling” = Muttonhall Cottages. If it does, it seems a coincidence that they would be living at two different places called “Mutton” something at different times. :-\
It depends how determined you are to find the exact location Peter - just walking the streets they walked might be enough, and as they will be much changed, you are going to have to use your imagination anyway. :)
Have a wonderful trip. I imagine it will be especially exciting for your NZ cousin.
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I only have sight of part of the marriage certificate which has been sent to me from a relative in New Zealand.
I can now confirm the marriage took place on the 7th Jan 1861 in Dysart.
It would be an idea to ask for the full cert. as a 'part' is not of much use or for a few credits on scotlandspeople.gov.uk it would be worth knowing what the exact address is on the marriage which will also give you witnesses names which may turn out to be a big bonus?
Annie
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I still have some work to do on this but I have come to the same conclusion as you.
I just need to confirm it.
I will be visiting Dysart in June and plan to walk the area. Perhaps from the ground things may be a little clearer.
Muttonhall Cottages on the links shown are on the outskirts of Kirkcaldy i.e. should be easy to locate;
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nr6/
Who were the parents of Richard?
In 1855 pre Richard's wedding & between census' in the VRs (Valuation Rolls) there's Robert, Willam & David all in Coal Wynd (separate houses) just a few mins drive from Muttonhall (as well as another 2 in 2 other areas);
WATTERS ROBERT Occupier
COLLIERS AND HOUSE HEAD COAL WYND KIRKCALDY
VR005000001-
If visiting it's worth buying all the relevant docs which are very cheap on SP with addresses where family were born/married/died which will not show on transcriptions & Kirkcaldy is small enough to visit many places in one day if need be when armed with the info!
Annie
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Thanks for that Annie.
We will investigate.
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I have been looking for a street called Gas Works Place in Kirkcaldy but as of yet cannot seem to work out where it was.
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It was also known as Gas House on some records. These records are from 1918.