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Title: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 02:28 BST (UK)
Hi again,

I was wondering if any of you could kindly help me out with this one as I'm not that good at searching or putting puzzles together... I couldn't find Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor's marriage and birth records - this is where I need help as to who their parents were.

Anne Doyle - so far, I found that she had 14 children with Mathias Connor (three didn't live) and moved to Boston, USA with her last 6 children in 1904 without Mathias - one year after her last daughter died.

One of thier older children was my great grandmother Anne Connor (Annie M O'Connor) from Castlerea, Roscommon and in her birth record, it says they were from South Park - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61039/04619_08_0008/1340715

I've attached a link to Anne Doyle Connor's 1901 census record with her last 8 children without Mathias - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Rathleg/1664283/

This is the bit I'm starting to hit a brick wall.... Could this be her at 6 months old? Census 1851 - http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=53411

I'm not sure if this is Mathias Connor's death record (one of their children was Margaret) and I based his death on after his last child's birth date 1894... Galway is not far from Roscommon? - http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639322468

On all of my great grandmother's marriage certs, Mathias was listed as a farmer/herd.

I could not trace marriage and birth records of Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor and I don't know if searching USA records for Anne Doyle will give a clue as I'm not subscribed to worldwide search. I'm starting to think maybe Doyle is not her maiden name or if Anne is her first name?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: dathai on Monday 24 June 19 09:37 BST (UK)
Mat died 1895 age 52 informant widow Anne at Southpark
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05937/4686479.pdf
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 24 June 19 11:00 BST (UK)
Southpark Demesne townland, Kilkeevin Civil Parish, County Roscommon.
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kilkeevin/castlereagh/southpark-demesne/

KG
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 June 19 11:05 BST (UK)
If the couple married in Kilkeevin parish, there are no marriage records here after 1864.

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0551
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Monday 24 June 19 11:28 BST (UK)
This search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

will get you all Civil Reg for  Doyle of Castlerea DISTRICT

Those with  Returns Page No do not have Images yet.....

One can change Surname to Connor to get them.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Monday 24 June 19 11:34 BST (UK)
Hi again,

I'm not sure if this is Mathias Connor's death record (one of their children was Margaret) and I based his death on after his last child's birth date 1894... Galway is not far from Roscommon? - http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639322468
 


Not if his wife was Anne and as Daithi posted "Mat died 1895 age 52 informant widow Anne at Southpark"
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Monday 24 June 19 11:50 BST (UK)
Hi again,
 
 

This is the bit I'm starting to hit a brick wall.... Could this be her at 6 months old? Census 1851 - http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=53411

 

Difficult to say!

Does.. Applicant's present address Mrs Mary Warful, C/O Herman Hermann, No 1025 1/2 Cotton St, Reading, Pa, W S A

make any sense to you?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 12:31 BST (UK)
Mat died 1895 age 52 informant widow Anne at Southpark
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05937/4686479.pdf

Thanks for that link, now I can work out his age... Are you able to read what his illness was? Very hard to read the cursive...
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Monday 24 June 19 12:35 BST (UK)
Double Pneumonia,  7 days, Certified
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 24 June 19 12:36 BST (UK)
It looks like
Double Pneumonia
7 days
Certified

KG

Edit: Hallmark beat me to it!
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 12:37 BST (UK)
This search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

will get you all Civil Reg for  Doyle of Castlerea DISTRICT

Those with  Returns Page No do not have Images yet.....

One can change Surname to Connor to get them.

This link made it easier to search some of the family members names!
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 12:38 BST (UK)
It looks like
Double Pneumonia
7 days
Certified

KG

Edit: Hallmark beat me to it!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 12:39 BST (UK)
Hi again,
 
 

This is the bit I'm starting to hit a brick wall.... Could this be her at 6 months old? Census 1851 - http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=53411

 

Difficult to say!

Does.. Applicant's present address Mrs Mary Warful, C/O Herman Hermann, No 1025 1/2 Cotton St, Reading, Pa, W S A

make any sense to you?

Not that I can recall but does it look like USA address? Or Austrailia?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Monday 24 June 19 12:42 BST (UK)
This search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

will get you all Civil Reg for  Doyle of Castlerea DISTRICT

Those with  Returns Page No do not have Images yet.....

One can change Surname to Connor to get them.

This link made it easier to search some of the family members names!


You will be able to check every now and then for Updated records.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 24 June 19 12:55 BST (UK)
Reading, Pa, W S A

Actually
Reading, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.

KG
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: myluck! on Monday 24 June 19 13:23 BST (UK)
I could not trace marriage and birth records of Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor and I don't know if searching USA records for Anne Doyle will give a clue as I'm not subscribed to worldwide search. I'm starting to think maybe Doyle is not her maiden name or if Anne is her first name?

There is a marriage transcription on rootsireland.ie stating
Matthew CONNOR of Southpark, father Matthew
married on Jun 06 1869
in Ballintubber/Ballymoe
Anne DOYLE of Ballinakill, father Dominic
witnesses: John FAHY & Anne DOYLE

unfortunately when you look up this parish the marriage is not listed as stated LINK (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633891#page/7/mode/1up)
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 14:16 BST (UK)
I could not trace marriage and birth records of Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor and I don't know if searching USA records for Anne Doyle will give a clue as I'm not subscribed to worldwide search. I'm starting to think maybe Doyle is not her maiden name or if Anne is her first name?

There is a marriage transcription on rootsireland.ie stating
Matthew CONNOR of Southpark, father Matthew
married on Jun 06 1869
in Ballintubber/Ballymoe
Anne DOYLE of Ballinakill, father Dominic
witnesses: John FAHY & Anne DOYLE

unfortunately when you look up this parish the marriage is not listed as stated LINK (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633891#page/7/mode/1up)

Couldn't find it either... Maybe it was on another record but the transcriber made mistake... 

Is Mathias another name for Matthew? Do you think they would spell both or stick to one in any of their records?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: myluck! on Monday 24 June 19 15:00 BST (UK)
Many of the records in the Catholic Church used Latin
Mathias/Matthaeus is Latin for Matthew

The rootsireland site has the children's civil births and baptisms - it just seems to be the marriage link/detail that is incorrect. Or maybe they had access to another volume that was not put on-line.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 15:36 BST (UK)
I could not trace marriage and birth records of Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor and I don't know if searching USA records for Anne Doyle will give a clue as I'm not subscribed to worldwide search. I'm starting to think maybe Doyle is not her maiden name or if Anne is her first name?

There is a marriage transcription on rootsireland.ie stating
Matthew CONNOR of Southpark, father Matthew
married on Jun 06 1869
in Ballintubber/Ballymoe
Anne DOYLE of Ballinakill, father Dominic
witnesses: John FAHY & Anne DOYLE

unfortunately when you look up this parish the marriage is not listed as stated LINK (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633891#page/7/mode/1up)

There’s high chance that it’s them? That is if the link is incorrect or they hadn’t put on another volume... is there a way I could ask someone to look for correct link?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Monday 24 June 19 15:40 BST (UK)
Ballinakill Is in South Park?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: myluck! on Monday 24 June 19 16:12 BST (UK)
Ballinakill/Ballynakill is south of Ballymoe, on the border of Roscommon and Galway
It is near Glinsk.

Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 24 June 19 16:29 BST (UK)

Ballinakill/Ballynakill is south of Ballymoe, on the border of Roscommon and Galway
It is near Glinsk.


South of the village of Ballymoe, as myluck! suggests. Both a parish and a townland.
Ballynakill townland, Ballynakill Civil Parish, County Galway
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/ballymoe/ballynakill/ballynakill/ballynakill/

KG
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:23 BST (UK)
There is a marriage transcription on rootsireland.ie stating
Matthew CONNOR of Southpark, father Matthew
married on Jun 06 1869
in Ballintubber/Ballymoe
Anne DOYLE of Ballinakill, father Dominic
witnesses: John FAHY & Anne DOYLE

Could it be them?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61039/04617_04_0009/150312444?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/102546884/person/382114036968/facts/citation/1062159954435/edit/record
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:42 BST (UK)
One needs an Ancestry Sub to see that... Does it say where Marriage was?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:45 BST (UK)
One needs an Ancestry Sub to see that... Does it say where Marriage was?

It is the birth of Annam Doyle in 1849 -


Name
    Catherina Kello
Gender
    Female
Parish Variants
    Ballybay, Cam, Cam and Kiltoom, Camma, Killtomb, Killtomb and Camma, Killtoom, KIltoom, Kiltoom and Cam
Diocese
    Elphin
Spouse
    Dominici Doyle
Child
    Annam Doyle

Household Members

    NameAge
        NameAnnam Doyle
        NameCatherina Kello
        NameDominici Doyle

Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:51 BST (UK)
Screen shot attached
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:05 BST (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0543  KIltoom
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:15 BST (UK)
If you have Ancestry Sub what results are thrown up for

  Anne DOYLE  married  1869  ??  Just   Name, Year,  and   Ireland
 
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:21 BST (UK)
If you have Ancestry Sub what results are thrown up for

  Anne DOYLE  married  1869  ??  Just   Name, Year,  and   Ireland

There's 27,834 records EDITED: 384 records
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:23 BST (UK)
Name   MATHEW CONNOR
Date of Death   1895
Group Registration ID   4010159
SR District/Reg Area   Castlerea
Deceased Age at Death   52
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:24 BST (UK)
If you have Ancestry Sub what results are thrown up for

  Anne DOYLE  married  1869  ??  Just   Name, Year,  and   Ireland

There's 27,834 records EDITED: 384 records


Any to Connor ??
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:29 BST (UK)
If you have Ancestry Sub what results are thrown up for

  Anne DOYLE  married  1869  ??  Just   Name, Year,  and   Ireland

There's 27,834 records EDITED: 384 records


Any to Connor ??

None...
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:38 BST (UK)
Name   MATHEW CONNOR
Date of Death   1895
Group Registration ID   4010159
SR District/Reg Area   Castlerea
Deceased Age at Death   52

This was mentioned on #1 and Anne was the informer
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 11:43 BST (UK)
OK
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 25 June 19 15:20 BST (UK)
There is a marriage transcription on rootsireland.ie stating
Matthew CONNOR of Southpark, father Matthew
married on Jun 06 1869
in Ballintubber/Ballymoe
Anne DOYLE of Ballinakill, father Dominic
witnesses: John FAHY & Anne DOYLE

Could it be them?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61039/04617_04_0009/150312444?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/102546884/person/382114036968/facts/citation/1062159954435/edit/record

This is the one posted in #15 by myluck.

Ah, I see now, you have posted a birth for Anne Doyle.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 25 June 19 15:34 BST (UK)
Same parents here

John Doyle 31st March 1855 Dysart Parish

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633899#page/16/mode/1up

Thomas Doyle 23rd August 1858 Dysart Parish

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633899#page/24/mode/1up
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Friday 28 June 19 01:23 BST (UK)
Same parents here

John Doyle 31st March 1855 Dysart Parish

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633899#page/16/mode/1up

Thomas Doyle 23rd August 1858 Dysart Parish

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633899#page/24/mode/1up

Have added them to my family tree, seems they only had three children... This made me think one of the parent may have died early. 

Still searching for clues on Catherine and Dominic's parents now.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Wednesday 04 September 19 01:07 BST (UK)
Hi again... Been trying to search Anne Doyle's parents records for weeks with no luck

Also I couldn't track down Mathias O'Connor's birth/baptism record - seems his father was Mathias/Matthew O'Connor (this was mentioned on #15 by Myluck! re marriage cert) and his death record says he was 52 in 1895 which means he was born around 1843....

One of my late cousin spoken to my 2nd cousin in the 1960's that Mathias had a brother called Peter and nephew called Bill (possible William). That's all I got about Mathias.

I've managed to get in touch with some of descendants, they too don't have any information. Need help from you guys if possible?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 September 19 05:39 BST (UK)
There is a possibility here - Kilkeevin Parish
Matthew Connor/s 22nd March 1842 (indexed as Connors with mmn Hallman)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633928#page/31/mode/1up

Another birth to the same couple
Margaret Connor 13th April 1844
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633928#page/55/mode/1up

And another
Mary 17th December 1848
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633928#page/97/mode/1up

There is also, however, Patrick Connor 17th January 1836 with parents Matthew Connor and Mary Gara
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633927#page/92/mode/1up

I have anglicised the names
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 September 19 05:44 BST (UK)
Indexes (Ancestry) also show

Johannem Connor 4th May 1840
Annam Connors 26th April 1856
Eleonoram Connor 21st June 1857
Aliciam Connor 24th November 1858

Not the sibling you mention, although Patrick/Peter can be interchanged
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Wednesday 04 September 19 11:08 BST (UK)
Thanks... Can you read it with ease?  :o I couldn't find it

Clarify, both different parents have Mathias Connor with them? Or were they all from same parents on two different sites?

EDITED:

Got it, both same parents... Will try and work around on those informations to see if Peter/patrick's mother passed away before Mathias remarry.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 September 19 11:42 BST (UK)
Not sure what you mean.

All the names are on the Ancestry index search - Catholic registers.
They are also available on the NLI site https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0551

They are difficult to read -none easy and some worse than others.

All seem to have the same parents - mother Hallman (a couple of variations) except the first in 1836 who has a mother Gara.

It may be the same family - she may have died - we don’t know.

None may be yours, of course  :)
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Wednesday 04 September 19 12:21 BST (UK)
Not sure what you mean.

All the names are on the Ancestry index search - Catholic registers.
They are also available on the NLI site https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0551

They are difficult to read -none easy and some worse than others.

All seem to have the same parents - mother Hallman (a couple of variations) except the first in 1836 who has a mother Gara.

It may be the same family - she may have died - we don’t know.

None may be yours, of course  :)

I've edited my post before seeing your reply.

I will try and see if there's connection via Ancestry DNA

Would it be easier if I fly over to Roscommon and do the tracing there in person?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 September 19 13:43 BST (UK)
It would be a lovely holiday, if nothing else   :)

Sometimes, baptismal records show a townland which you might want to check if any of those do but they are mostly difficult to read, if I recall.

DNA matches might be helpful, of course.

I have looked for a few of those children’s names for marriages but can’t spot any.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 04 September 19 20:55 BST (UK)


Anything among this lot?

 http://search.freefind.com/find.html?pageid=r&id=13812782&query=connor&ics=1&s=roscommonstones&fr=0


Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Tuesday 28 January 20 14:18 GMT (UK)
Hello guys/ladies,

I'm not 100% convince if the records I found is correct but I was wondering if any of you know which site is best to trace Irish ancestors? Preferable with transcripts since I can't read Latin. At the moment I am using Ancestry but not all the records are on there.

My great grandparents were from Roscommon/Southpark/Ballinkill & Ballymoe.

So far, I think I got Anne Doyle's parents down as Dominic Doyle and Catherine Kelly.
Mathias parents as Mathias Connor and Maria Hallman... Not 100% sure though.
(I've attached the tree)

There's no records for Southpark/Ballinkill & Ballymoe on https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 28 January 20 14:46 GMT (UK)



https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0541  Ballintubber and Ballymoe

?
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Wednesday 29 January 20 05:31 GMT (UK)



https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0541  Ballintubber and Ballymoe

?

Anne Doyle and Mathias Connor's marriage record not on there... You can't put down their names on this link though? Had to look through every names which can be difficult.
Title: Re: Anne Doyle & Mathias Connor from South Park Roscommon 1850's
Post by: Soanes on Wednesday 09 September 20 16:26 BST (UK)
Hello, hope you all are well.

I found obituary of Anne Doyle in USA and in it, it mentioned Bridget Theresa Belton nee Doyle dob 1866 which would be Anne's niece. Bridget's parents would be Patrick Doyle and Margaret Healy according to Bridget's US marriage cert but her birth is not showing up on Civil record Irish Gen... Do you know which Irish gen records is the best place for me to look at?

I couldn't find Patrick's birth record either but on his marriage cert in USA, it shows that he was married to Ellen Mooney and his parents were Dominic Doyle and Catherine Kelly... Same parents to Anne's. Although Patrick is supposed to be married to Margaret Healy? Both Ellen Mooney and Margaret Healy's childrens' birth dates overlapped each other... That is what made it very confusing as I am dna matched to Bridget Doyle's grandson.

Would appreciate your help! This is my first break through since forever.