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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: valerie1 on Tuesday 30 July 19 11:46 BST (UK)
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I’m looking at a death entry for Anne Carey in
1957 her son John was the informant
They both lived at Temple building Dublin
Is there anyway I can look at mum and son at this address to glean more info on them
Like a census or voting lists ?
Thank you
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Most recent census open to public is 1911.
Is the son also deceased? RootsChat has a policy of not naming living people.
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a death on church records of a Anne Carey in 1957 age 83 it will not let me see second page have trouble with are computer system.
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
civil records
You would have to ask Dublin Council about Electoral List or Census
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Apologies yes John has passed
Thanks Rathmore Electoral rolls I think
I will see how to obtain The info
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A Search like this on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
should find it
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Yes electoral rolls is probably best to try to look back in time for them
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Thanks Hallmark since you introduced me to this site
I have loved it
It’s where I found this Anne I can’t find Mary Anne Carey death but as pointed out she was recorded as Anne in the 1901and 1911 census so I’m extending the net and because she had a son with this name I wanted to find out a bit more about her at this address
Thanks for the reply
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Her death notice gives her husband as Patrick, deeply regretted by her son, daughters, brother, sister, funeral Durrow Offaly.
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Thank you Sinann
Sadly she’s not my Anne back to the drawing board :(
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there are three Mary Carey listed on the church records civil, age 81, 70, 68 Dublin South
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I have a problem in that Mary and Carey born Horan was a widow her husband Peter Carey died in 1933 and is buried in Mount Jerome but I cannot find a death for her from memory she was born 1876
In the 1901 census in 1911 she’s recorded as Ann Carey but it’s quite hard to match in with anyone most of the informants or hospital employees
The Anne I found which had a son called John and she did have a son called John unfortunately the obituary didn’t match
Her husband’s headstone is quite ornate so I can’t understand why I can’t find her :(
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found a death but it is for 1987 on find a grave
Patrick Carey husband 2.4.1901 to 25.5.1954, Mary Carey 1906 to 1987, son John 25.7.1929 to 30.4.1994, grandson Patrick Daly 29.10.1948 to 2017
mount jermore cemtery
http://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197204492#source
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Patrick died 1933 so I don’t think it’s him
So Mary Anne must have died after this date
Thank you for looking
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Is her husband Peter or Patrick?
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Peter Carey
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Tried Carey nee Horan and only got a woman in 2000, her husband was Joseph
Tried Carey - wife of the late Peter got nothing.
Could she have remarried, moved abroad?
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Sinann
Well there is always that possibility
But she was born in Dublin had her children in Dublin her sisters all stayed in Dublin her sons were in Dublin
She was born 1876 she was a widow in 1933 so about 60 when Peter died I think she had a tough life she was a linen weaver
So my instincts tell me she stayed where she was
One of her sons died the year after her husband and he is in a husband’s grave
She did have several boys so she could be with one of those I guess I’m at a loss really
I thought I had her the other day Mary Curry transcribed wrong
But sadly turned out not to be her
Thank you for trying
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"...She was born 1876 she was a widow in 1933 so about 60 when Peter died..."
So...she was 24 in 1900!
Have you tried this Search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp and then checked those or correct age?
Allowing a few years each way on Age at Death! Obviously checking Dublin ones first.
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"...her husband Peter Carey died in 1933..."
"...Patrick died 1933 so I don’t think it’s him..."
So what was husband's name??
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Is this your Peter??
Name peter CAREY
Date of Death 1933
Group Registration ID 1974576
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Why are we looking in Temple building Dublin for her?
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The likes of this is a POSSIBLE
Name Annie Carey
Date of Death 1937
Group Registration ID 1298627
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Deceased Age at Death 58
...BUT without checking other POSSIBLES one can't tell. Have you checked the Deaths of those "of correct age"??
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Hallmark
I have looked at this site , you introduced me to it a few weeks ago, it’s a really good site, The problem is a lot of the people that died in a hospital institution it’s the hospital or institution employee that is present at death so I have no way of knowing if this person is her
I found an informant the other day whose name was John and she had a son called John but on further investigation I think through a newspaper obituary it turned out not to be her
I spoke to the registrar in Ireland and she said that even if I ordered the full certificate there would be no more information on it then what I could see on this site.
I’ve also looked on the Latter Day Saints site there is nothing there Mary or Anne or Mary Anne very weird
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Yes indeed....they do give home addresses.
I couldn't find a Death in Wexford for someone! Turned out his Death was in Dublin Hospital!
Only found him by doing similar search! His home address was on it.
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I will
Keep searching thank you
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Have you found Stephen after the death of his father ?
The marriages of the other children are easily found up to James in 1932 from the same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1932/09000/5257044.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Wood_Quay__part_of_/Costello_s_Cottages/79782/
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sadly i see he died a few day's after census
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05397/4507111.pdf
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Dathai
I had not got Stephen so thanks for that
Matilda I believe married a skinner they moved to the uk But Miltilda and her mother Mary Anne did not get on so I don’t think she would have moved to the uk to be with her
I do have Matilda’s death somewhere
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William born 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01337/1551920.pdf
was still there in 1943
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08790/5177353.pdf
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Dathai
Thanks I had heard the name Christine Baker
I can’t understand where she’s gone Mary Anne as on paper the family seem to stay in the same place
I see she’s called Anne on the census and some of the official documents but Iv tried just using Anne as her name but no luck
When is the next census due ? Lol
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What address did her husband have when he died?
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9 Leven Terrace
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Leven Terrace results from Scotland
Levere Terrace gets Harrold's Cross, no Carey deaths though.
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« Reply #19 pdf posted shows the address
Maybe the é would make a difference on search??
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I think it is Levéne
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Have you researched Thomas at all?
If you know when Born adjust Search accordingly for Marriage or look for a Death for him? Might lead to a Death notice and any living kin named on it at the time. etc
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Apologies for mis spell Harold’s cross is correct
Thomas died 1934 and is in with his father Peter in Mount J
I will look for Thomas death details to see if any family mentioned
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You never know..........maybe he died before mother! Stranger things have happened!
IF that happened she might have put husband on g/stone, then son and when she died no one "updated" the g/stone.
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Just saw "One of her sons died the year after her husband and he is in a husband’s grave" so IF she died after son it is a POSSIBILITY!
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Levere Terrace
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Levere_Terrace/69413/
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That also leaves John 1913 to look for
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01453/1593884.pdf
informant
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Wood_Quay__part_of_/Clanbrassil_Street__Upper/79357/
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Apologies for mis spell Harold’s cross is correct
Thomas died 1934 and is in with his father Peter in Mount J
I will look for Thomas death details to see if any family mentioned
There are only two!
One a Doctor, died Southside, address Kerry
and the other a Labourer, Rathmines, registered Northside, after Inquest!
Which of these makes most sense to you??
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I would say the Hollyfield Buildings chap he's the right age died from something like Tetanus
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04835/4303714.pdf
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The labourer not Dr and the rathmines rings a bell but I’m going cross eyed looking at all the entries lol
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I understand that she may have been put in a grave and not marked on the headstone but what I don’t understand is why I can’t find a notice for her death
But I guess if she died in hospital and the hospitals employee Registered the death and there is not an address that looks familiar I wouldn’t know it was her
Phew it’s hard work all this isn’t it
But on a positive note Iv learnt a lot from not finding her thanks to you all on here Iv had an education 😚
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The census showing Elizabeth Snell is Mary Anne’s sister so is Jane Obrien ( my Grandmother )also shown
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I would say the Hollyfield Buildings chap he's the right age died from something like Tetanus
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04835/4303714.pdf
I would say so too!
This thread started with a name plucked out for no reason!
What is needed is to start at beginning with Marriage,,,then kids from Census or Births, then what happened with them!
Step by step by step..... in order to find the correct informant for her Death, or Address thereon!
We can all look for Death of Anne.....but without methodical research how is anyone to know which one is correct??
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I understand that she may have been put in a grave and not marked on the headstone but what I don’t understand is why I can’t find a notice for her death
But I guess if she died in hospital and the hospitals employee Registered the death and there is not an address that looks familiar I wouldn’t know it was her
Phew it’s hard work all this isn’t it
But on a positive note Iv learnt a lot from not finding her thanks to you all on here Iv had an education 😚
It may well be there....but without knowing the members of family or their addresses how are you going to spot one if it is correct??
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Hallmark
Agree so I have to learn the daughter in laws names grandchildren’s names nightmare
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Thomas of Hollyfield Blds registered the Death of his father of Levere Terrace.
Did Thomas marry? Have kids?
Scenario: Could Anne (widow) have sold up and moved into Hollyfield Blds to help with young g/children? Is there a Death for an Anne of Hollyfield Blds??
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Hallmark
Agree so I have to learn the daughter in laws names grandchildren’s names nightmare
'Slowly, slowly catchy monkey' 8)
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http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-148/target114.html
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Fri Oct 5 1934 Irish Press
Thomas stood on a nail which was sticking out of a plank while working in Crumlin on 21 Sept, he did not report it to the sub contractor, he was limping but carried on working, until the Thursday.
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Oh my heart goes out to Thomas
Maybe worried about his job so said nothing 😢 what a waste of a life
Hallmark I will look for a Mary Ann
At that address
Thanks everyone your all too good
I can’t keep up with you I take my 🎩 off to you 🙏
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Thomas married Eileen Condon 1924 so married 10 yrs when he died
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09155/5310955.pdf
appears to be this Eileen
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Hollyfield_Buildings/66592/
she possibly died 1960 age 55
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04339/4122143.pdf
they appear to have had 4 children from 1929 to 1935 3 male 1 female
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That was only a Scenario!
How many POSSIBLES have you found and have you noted the name of informant and addresses for these from their Death Certs?
Handier if you note them them you can look at notes each time.
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So is there a death for Anne at Devinish Rd??
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I’m
Printing off everything Iv found and the funds here
It’s my homework over the weekend :)