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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: ThePigeon on Sunday 11 August 19 15:09 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone. I'm just doing some research on a photo I have from the 1880s. I wondered if anyone could pinpoint a particular date in the 1880s based on her fashion. Thank you for any help!
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I would have said it was 1870s
Carol
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Agree with Carol - 1870s :)
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Thank you for the responses! Apparently the studio where it was taken was open around 1881-1893. And the card design at the back dates from 1881 at the latest. The lady in the photo was also born in 1860 and I think she may look early 20s? Hmm, so it's a bit confusing! Unless she happens to be wearing older fashion at the time or somehow this studio got the glass negative plates. Any ideas? :)
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It could be a reprint.
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When George Denney married Ellen Pearse in August 1878 he was a Woollen Draper, by 1881 he was a photographer. George & Ellen are at 21 St Sidwell Street after the 1881 census
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Her hair is typical 1870s.
It might be worth checking these online examples:
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/main.htm
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When George Denney married Ellen Pearse in August 1878 he was a Woollen Draper, by 1881 he was a photographer. George & Ellen are at 21 St Sidwell Street after the 1881 census
Missed this, Rosie, as I was called away and have only just posted what I'd written a while ago!
There's no sign of a ring so I'm thinking that it might well be a pre-marriage photo that he possibly reprinted in the 1880s
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When George Denney married Ellen Pearse in August 1878 he was a Woollen Draper, by 1881 he was a photographer. George & Ellen are at 21 St Sidwell Street after the 1881 census
Missed this, Rosie, as I was called away and have only just posted what I'd written a while ago!
There's no sign of a ring so I'm thinking that it might well be a pre-marriage photo that he possibly reprinted in the 1880s
The photographer is E. Denney & Co. I'm not sure who E. Denney is? Here is an example of his advertisement.
Edith Cecilia Lea, the lady in the photo, wasn't married until 1908.
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I see that the photo is of Edith Lea and not Ellen Pearce. Also, the name on the photo is E Denney not G, so now I'm confused.
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When George Denney married Ellen Pearse in August 1878 he was a Woollen Draper, by 1881 he was a photographer. George & Ellen are at 21 St Sidwell Street after the 1881 census
Missed this, Rosie, as I was called away and have only just posted what I'd written a while ago!
There's no sign of a ring so I'm thinking that it might well be a pre-marriage photo that he possibly reprinted in the 1880s
The photographer is E. Denney & Co. I'm not sure who E. Denney is? Here is an example of his advertisement.
Edith Cecilia Lea, the lady in the photo, wasn't married until 1908. And she was born in 1860.
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I see that the photo is of Edith Lea and not Ellen Pearce. Also, the name on the photo is E Denny not G, so now I'm confused.
Yup, so am I. Haha.
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I've been looking at your Edith. Is she the one who became a boarding school head by 1891? Also she moved to Exeter sometime between 1871 and 1881 :-\
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Sorry if I was confusing you Gadget. :-* . :)
Ellen Pearse was married to the photographer George Denney and they were both resident at 21 St Sidwell Street. Maybe the business being named E Denney was after his wife Ellen, she was older than him in 1881 he was 25, she was 40.
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I've been looking at your Edith. Is she the one who became a boarding school head by 1891? Also she moved to Exeter sometime between 1871 and 1881 :-\
Yes, that is correct :). She married in 1908 to March Timson.
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Sorry if I was confusing you Gadget. :-* . :)
Ellen Pearse was married to the photographer George Denney and they were both resident at 21 St Sidwell Street. Maybe the business being named E Denney was after his wife Ellen, she was older than him in 1881 he was 25, she was 40.
Yes, I don't think George Denney, the photographer, had any sons? So I was thinking the E may stand for Ellen too.
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How do you know that it is Edith?
Thinking it's a re-print. The hair is classic early 1870s.
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How do you know that it is Edith?
Thinking it's a re-print. The hair is classic early 1870s.
Her name was written on the back of the photo.
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I've looked at my books again - also checked the online links again. The only explanations that I can think of is that she wore her hair in an 'old fashioned' way or she was posing in a1870s style for Ellen :-\
I have an example from my family of an aunt posing for her photographer niece in the grandmother's 1860s clothing in the 1920s ::)
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Thinking it's a re-print. The hair is classic early 1870s.
Maybe because she was living with an older relation in 1881 her appearance / dress was governed by her influence. Perhaps even one of her aunt's dresses.
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Thinking it's a re-print. The hair is classic early 1870s.
Maybe because she was living with an older relation in 1881 her appearance / dress was governed by her influence. Perhaps even one of her aunt's dresses.
Wow, thank you everyone :D. You may be onto something there! She lived with her aunt, Frederica Weber Lea (who was 51 at the time), in 1881. Her aunt was the headmistress and after her aunt died Edith became the headmistress there. Perhaps she just wore anachronistic fashion.
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I've looked at my books again - also checked the online links again. The only explanations that I can think of is that she wore her hair in an 'old fashioned' way or she was posing in a1870s style for Ellen :-\
I have an example from my family of an aunt posing for her photographer niece in the grandmother's 1860s clothing in the 1920s ::)
Haha, that's awesome :D
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It's interesting to me as I studied art and photography at Exeter Art School in the olden days ;D ;D ;D
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It's interesting to me as I studied art and photography at Exeter Art School in the olden days ;D ;D ;D
Awesome :D
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I do like her hairstyle! I wonder if that's her real hair or a false piece? :)
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It could have been taken on her 21st Birthday making the date 1881 which is feasible for the hair and dress still to have been worn at the time. The back does look more like an 1880s design.i
Carol
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Hair is early-mid 1870s, Carol but she could be 'old fashioned'
;D
Added - here's a late example from 1876:
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/a1876.htm
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Just a thought - do we know the address that Ellen gave on the marriage cert to George. I'm wondering if her father lived at the Sidwell Street in the late 1870s and Ellen worked from there after her marriage in 1878.
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I've jsut found this dating of hairstyle by Jim of one of my Alston pics - Bottom row middle:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449884.msg3121396#msg3121396
and China:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449884.msg3121241#msg3121241
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It could have been taken on her 21st Birthday making the date 1881 which is feasible for the hair and dress still to have been worn at the time. The back does look more like an 1880s design.i
Carol
Yes, I was wondering if there was a particular occasion she had the photo taken... birthday, moving to her aunt's boarding school, etc.
Also, anyone got any guesses on her age in the photo? I always thought she looked early 20s.
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I've jsut found this dating of hairstyle by Jim of one of my Alston pics - Bottom row middle:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449884.msg3121396#msg3121396
and China:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=449884.msg3121241#msg3121241
Thank you, Gadget :)
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Just a thought - do we know the address that Ellen gave on the marriage cert to George. I'm wondering if her father lived at the Sidwell Street in the late 1870s and Ellen worked from there after her marriage in 1878.
Ellen Pearse address when she married George Denney was St James, Exeter. Her father was Samuel Pearse occ Draper
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Thanks, Rosie. I saw that they were living in the St Sidwell area in 1871, she being her father's assistant draper.
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Having probs with connection this morning. I think they're doing something at the box or whatever and the line is dodgy first thing and about 5 o'clock!
I've not been to Exeter much for nearly 30 years, when I was there every day, but I seem to remember Sidwell Street . I've just re-looked at the 1871 and find that the Pearce family were in Blackboy Road, which is the continuation of Sidwell Street:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101444356#zoom=4&lat=2994&lon=6705&layers=BT
I'm not sure which area St James covers but St James's Park (Exeter FC) is not all that far from Sidwell Street.
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Having probs with connection this morning. I think they're doing something at the box or whatever and the line is dodgy first thing and about 5 o'clock!
I've not been to Exeter much for nearly 30 years, when I was there every day, but I seem to remember Sidwell Street . I've just re-looked at the 1871 and find that the Pearce family were in Blackboy Road, which is the continuation of Sidwell Street:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101444356#zoom=4&lat=2994&lon=6705&layers=BT
I'm not sure which area St James covers but St James's Park (Exeter FC) is not all that far from Sidwell Street.
:)