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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: Diane53 on Tuesday 17 September 19 12:03 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find my Great grandfather Patrick Neasey/Nasey born in Roscommon approx 1865. The only info I have is that he married in U.K. In 1888 and on his certificate it says his dad was called James.
Can anyone help me to where to go next. Thank you
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Hello,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Is this Patrick’s marriage
December quarter 1888 Huddersfield 9a 582
Patrick Neasey and Agnes McKenzie or Elizabeth Clarke.
Heywood
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He is transcribed as Neary on one site in 1891
1891 3569/81
Married to Agnes
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These are useful sites
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
It is free but you have to sign in and solve the ‘captcha’.
Here is a death for James Neasey in 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05510/4544194.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ (Free)
James and Kate (daughter) should be in 1901 census
That might be your James or a relative.
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Hi Heywood
Yes that is the certificate I have. I know lots of names have been transcribed differently, that's what makes it confusing.On the site you looked at in 1891 is that a marriage and is it in Ireland or U.K.
Some others that have a Patrick Neasey/Neacy/ Nasey say Patrick's dad was Thomas and because I know that my certificate is the right one, I'm confused. That's why I need to find his birth.
Diane
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On Family Search he is transcribed as Eary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7JP1-7W2
You will know if it is him through the family,I hope.
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Yes that definitely is my family
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I can't find James on the 1901 census!
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No I can’t either nor Kate.
As you say, there are so many variations of the surname.
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So any ideas where I should look next. I was going to come over to Roscommon but I believe it's quite a huge county and would need to narrow it down.
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I wouldn't set off just yet. ;)
Other people might have a look here and come up with some ideas.
Did they marry in a Catholic Church? The parish record might (only might) give a bit more information.
Are the witness names any help?
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If you use the information on Death Cert... and then the Parish Registers you might find something..
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I was waiting for you hallmark :)
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Just to make it simple for you.... 8)
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1073 Kiltulla
;D
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https://www.logainm.ie/en/43652 Benmore
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Is the surname on that death NEASEY or VEASEY?
Maureen
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Yes it was a Catholic Church in Huddersfield, the witness names mean nothing. I have been trying to send a pic of the marriage certificate but it's saying it's too large to send.
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I have searched censuses for Benmore but not seeing anything.
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Maureen, my Patrick Neasey was on marriage cert, but he died in suspicious circumstances in 1913 in Huddersfield, Yorkshire with the spelling Nasey which btwis my maiden name
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I know it's all so frustrating as they somehow seem to disappear
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Is the surname on that death NEASEY or VEASEY?
Maureen
Good question - there are Vaseys in Kiltullagh.
I took it from the transcription. The first letter is different to the ‘n’ in ‘no medical ..’ but is that lower case.
Is the person at the top of the page Nestor or Vestor.
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No sign of James on Census using this search.... http://www.rootschat.com/links/01odg/
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Benmore townland, Kiltullagh Civil Parish, Co Roscommon.
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kiltullagh/kiltullagh/benmore/
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Benmore townland, Kiltullagh Civil Parish, Co Roscommon.
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kiltullagh/kiltullagh/benmore/
Already found
See Reply #15
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Benmore townland, Kiltullagh Civil Parish, Co Roscommon.
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kiltullagh/kiltullagh/benmore/
Already found
See Reply #15
This is a different website ???
KG
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Is the surname on that death NEASEY or VEASEY?
Maureen
Good question - there are Vaseys in Kiltullagh.
I took it from the transcription. The first letter is different to the ‘n’ in ‘no medical ..’ but is that lower case.
Is the person at the top of the page Nestor or Vestor.
That one is (I think) NESTOR. :)
Just that there seemed to be so many VEASEY BMDs in the area.
What would be a variant spelling for NEASEY,Nacey,etc. that I'm not coming up with?
Maureen
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Yes I agree Maureen.
There are Neafsey variations, I have also seen.
Baptisms indexed from Kiltulla, Roscommon.
I can’t see any with father James and this is the only Patrick
Patt Navesey 13th December 1869 parents David and Mary Ruane, Mount Delvin
12th March 1865
Pat Na?ey with parents Pat and Anne Judge , Rhalena
There is this - I will look for the link in a minute
27th January 1861
Pat of James Narie and Mary Raghtigan , Culkeen
Age is different but that is not unusual
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I can’t find it on
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1073
But I realise it is very tenuous.
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Does anyone know if there are any One named studies in Roscommon?
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Griffiths has him as James Neary, Culkeen :-\
There are a couple of similar names but not Neasey
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/kiltullagh.htm
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You could try here
https://www.roscommonroots.com/
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Griffiths has him as James Neary, Culkeen :-\
There are a couple of similar names but not Neasey
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/kiltullagh.htm
Maybe you'll find him under "James Nearly" ? ;D
I had a quick scroll through register from 1863 back a couple of years.... didn't see Surname even as Sponsors.
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The registers look to be from various chapels so are not in order.
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The registers look to be from various chapels so are not in order.
Some quite far away too but is that not just for earliest film?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632061#page/1/mode/1up says Kiltullagh but do you think they are a mix?
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Thank you all for your help, I'm probably more confused than ever :)😂
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I doubt this is him but I found Pat Naree/Narie b 1861
Bottom of right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632061#page/11/mode/1up
Your man has ‘s’ in the middle so might be Navesey or similar.
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Thank you for taking time to check this out, I am very grateful, just not sure how I can make a judgement on anything when I know so little. Again thank you very much x
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It is very difficult. There don’t seem to be others of that name settling around Huddersfield.
I know you have discounted the witnesses - were any Irish - or Godparents? Just wondering if he settled with neighbours or relatives.
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This is perhaps no help to you but illustrates what I mean.
In 1901 4104/207/37
Your family are living at 18 Rosemary Lane
In 1901 4104/115/1
There is a Tierney and Nester family living at 31/33 Rosemary Lane.
James Nester is the son in law of Bridget Tierney.
There is also Edward and Martin Nester.
Looking at births they would seem to be born Mount Delvin which is an adjacent townland to Benmore.
The death of Pat Nestor, who may be their father is on the same page as that of James which I posted at the outset.
This may all be totally coincidental - it is just the kind of thing that I like though so I am being a bit self indulgent. :)
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.....and then one looks again at Surnames on 1901 Benmore Kiltullagh census....simple ;D
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Of course if someone had included the link in their post it would have been helpful! :D
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01odj/
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.....and then one looks again at Surnames on 1901 Benmore Kiltullagh census....simple ;D
The Nestor family in Benmore is not the same one I refer - the one I meant is this one
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Kiltullagh/Mountdelvin/1665610/
I didn’t link because I was testing my theory first :)
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No worries... I was referring to me not including it in my post! :D
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Of course these surnames just pop up all the time in the same areas - except sadly, the one we are searching :(
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If James and his daughter Kate can't be found on Irish Census maybe he was in England?
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I’ll have another look. I keep forgetting the surname I am searching - the variations ...
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Hmmmm, I do know that Rosemary Lane was mostly inhabited by catholic families from Ireland. It wasn't a very big street but the whole of that area around Rosemary Lane, was full of catholic Irish families.
Please indulge yourself with my research if you like.
The witnesses at Patrick and Agnes wedding was Annie King and John Lally or Sally but the L looks more likely having looked at the other writing.
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Yes I noticed all the Irish families in Rosemary Lane. That’s what happens and often people from the same area settle together hence my interest in the Nestors.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t help.
I can see a John Lalley in 1891 but that is it.
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Hmmmm, I do know that Rosemary Lane was mostly inhabited by catholic families from Ireland. It wasn't a very big street but the whole of that area around Rosemary Lane, was full of catholic Irish families.
Please indulge yourself with my research if you like.
The witnesses at Patrick and Agnes wedding was Annie King and John Lally or Sally but the L looks more likely having looked at the other writing.
Why not spend time browsing through the Registers having a look at Whom married Whom?
Are the Nestors, Neaseys, Tierneys intermarried within the Parish?
At least that way when you are talking to people you have some knowledge of other the Surnames intermingled but you don't know how!
Mrs Nestor in 1901 Benmore Kiltullagh census might have been his sister for all we know and where he was when he died!
There are filters and you can browse then at your leisure......Year by Year, bit by bit....
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Just to say, that I only quoted those families to illustrate that sometimes/often families are intertwined - as you are saying, hallmark.
It might all be a red herring.
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Just to say, that I only quoted those families to illustrate that sometimes/often families are intertwined - as you are saying, hallmark.
It might all be a red herring.
I agree 100% but "something" brought him to there.....