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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales Resources => Topic started by: Mansl on Friday 20 September 19 21:37 BST (UK)
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I am looking for Richard Mansell c1816 and his wife Elizabeth(Robinson) c1816 along with their children at least a Mary Ann born c1857 Abedare and Edith c1860.
Mary Ann may be Birth Reg. Dec qtr 1857 Merthyr Tydfil 11a 372 mmn Robinson.
Alan
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Have you got a birth place for Richard or his wife please?
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Is this the family in 1871 living in Hampshire
Elizabeth Mansell 59 widow
Mary Ann 14
Eda 11
William 7
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A lot of the Welsh 1861 is missing - see
www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces
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Yes that's the family. I have just realised I had a previous topic on this a few years ago and forgot about it.
I think I have just found Edith. death reg. June qtr 1875 Lewes(Sussex) aged 15. That is where Mary Ann married Thomas Stoner in Sussex in 1876.
On that other topic(Richard Mansell burial Wiltshire) Trish did find Edith Mansell bapt. 21/7/1861 St Brides Minor, Glamorgan parents Richard and Elizabeth although I have never found a birth for her.
Alan
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Elizabeth's maiden name was Robinson, I have the marriage in Birmingham 1839 and William James Mansell mmn Robinson(GRO).
Alan
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That probably explains the missing information thanks CaroleW.
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In 1871 Elizabeth is 58/59 and son William is 7. Think she was a bit old to have had him at 51 or thereabouts EDIT - she is 35 in 1851 so may be 55 in 1871
and William James Mansell mmn Robinson(GRO)
GRO maiden name search has no match for William James Mansell with mmn Robinson
1871 shows he was b Pewsey Wiltshire and the Dec 1864 birth reg on freebmd shows no mmn indicating he was illegitimate. Richard Mansell died Dec 1863
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I have his BC Elizabeth Mansell mother Pewsey no father given, Richard had died a year before.
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Does it say Elizabeth Mansell nee Robinson?
1851 shows a daughter Elizabeth aged 1 b Warwickshire although she was a bit young to have a child in 1864
Richard only died Dec qtr 1863 so Elizabeth got pregnant very quickly afterwards
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No it doesn't say nee Robinson.
Elizabeth Ann Mansell born 1849 Radford Semele bapt 23/12/1849 Radford Semele. Died aged 1yr 9m 1852 at Coton End Warwick. Buried 25/7/1852.
Alan
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Although they married in 1839 - Elizabeth was their only living child by 1851
Elizabeth Ann Mansell born 1849 Radford Semele bapt 23/12/1849 Radford Semele. Died aged aged 1yr 9m 1852 at Coton End Warwick. Buried 25/7/1852.
From GRO maiden name search
MANSELL, ELIZABETH mmn ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WARWICK UNION Volume 16 Page 611
FS shows baptism as shown by you above but not as Elizabeth Ann - just Elizabeth
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If that is Mary Ann Birth 1857 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Robinson. Then there is a John Llewellyn birth 1854 Mertyr Tydfil mmn Robinson could be another child but never found him with them. Mary Ann had a son John Llewellyn in 1875 a year before she married Thomas Stoner.
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In one of the census's Mary Ann was born Aberdare.
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There is also I found tonight an Esther Mansell mmn Robinson born Warwick 1847.
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Esther died the same year. I will have a look at the Radford Semele records tomorrow.
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I think I have made a big error.
All Warwick reg.
Elizabeth Ann Mansill born M1850.mmn Kelly, Eliza Ann Mansill died Sept 1852 aged 1.9m
Elizabeth Mansell born M1850. mmn Robinson.
Elizabeth Mansell died Dec 1852 aged 5.
The top one is the same person, the bottom 2 may not be the same person as the age doesn't match.
Elizabeth may be with them in Wales in 1861. Maybe William James is her son. looked after by her mum.
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Yes that's the family. I have just realised I had a previous topic on this a few years ago and forgot about it.
I think I have just found Edith. death reg. June qtr 1875 Lewes(Sussex) aged 15. That is where Mary Ann married Thomas Stoner in Sussex in 1876.
On that other topic(Richard Mansell burial Wiltshire) Trish did find Edith Mansell bapt. 21/7/1861 St Brides Minor, Glamorgan parents Richard and Elizabeth although I have never found a birth for her.
Alan
GRO Birth Registration
Edith Mansel, Sep Qtr 1861, Bridgend, 11a 383 - mother's maiden name Robinson
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That looks good. Thank you.
I am going to send for Mary Ann BC birth reg. 1857 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Robinson and if it is the right parents, I will the send for John LLewellyn BC 1854 mmn Robinson.
I cant find him dieing or marrying or in a census, he may be with them in that missing census in 1861.
Mary Ann had a child the same name in 1875 and he had a child the same name in 1902.
Alan
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FindMyPast baptism (image)
Nov 30th 1855, John Llewellyn, son of Richard and Elizabeth Mansel, abode near Hendreforgan, father's occpn. labourer
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That is brilliant. I may as well send for both then now. I wonder what happened to him.
Alan
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I think I have just found spelt Mary Ann Mansel baptism 24/1/1858 7 weeks old at Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan parents Richard and Elizabeth.
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I have sent for both BC for John and Mary and if they come back with parents richard and Elizabeth nee Robinson on. Then I think William James born 1864 was the son of their daughter Elizabeth born 1849 Radford Semele who I can't find after 1851.