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Hello, after receiving the Parish records of the Kings of Winterton, I have now mapped them out, took 100 pages in a spreadsheet. I now have direct descendents reaching back to approx 1690. There was movement to Caister on Sea, Hemsby and even Western Australia. If someone is also researching the same family I would be interested in corresponding with them.
My next job is to go through census records. I had heard that a person Richard/Ivan King had undertaken some research and there is a website up and running, however, it has not been updated since the early 2000's, the internet address is from a defunct company, but if you know if he's living I would be interested in contacting him. Thanks Chris
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Welcome to rootschat.
Have you looked at the Surname interests for King, specifically to see if anyone has Norfolk as area of interest?
It would be useful to mention some actual names, dates and places in your posts for chatters to relate to.
Jackie
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As Jackie suggested, it might be worth looking in the surname interests table (under Your Tools at the bottom of the page). I had a very quick look and as you would expect there are a lot of “King” researchers. I noted only a couple searching in Norfolk. Most are from other areas of the country. ;) A surname mapping tool does feature in in the Norfolk area, though I am unsure of it's accuracy.
Have you taken (or considered taking) a DNA test which may connect you to other King researchers, if that is what you are looking to do?
Good luck. If you need help just ask. ;)
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Interesting comments, thanks for reminding me about the surname interest, unfortunately only one match for King in Norwich, Norfolk is relevant and I’ve looked at this before. In Norwich there is only one family record of a ‘Katie Irene King, born Abt. 1911 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 21 Feb 1933 in Norwich.’
As per names I do indeed have several persons in Winterton on Sea I would like to know more details. Unfortunately, I don’t know where I should start looking as the records must be scant;
John King. He married Margaret and had a child Benjamin King, born Abt. 1717 in Winterton, Norfolk; died Abt. 1777. Benjamin’s Christening: 15 Jul 1717, Old Meeting House - Goal St, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk.
This Benjamin King, married Elizabeth Abel 21 Oct 1740 in Hethersett, Norfolk, daughter of Thomas ABEL and Elizabeth. She was born Abt. 1720 in Hethersett, Norfolk. Had two recorded children (I’d suspect there must be more. Abel King, born Abt. 1741 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 11 Dec 1783 in Norfolk. He married Jane Hodds 14 Dec 1767 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk. She was born Abt. 1746 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Second child Jimmy King, born 1745. He married Anne.
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I have had a quick look at findmypast and their records for Benjamin King b1717 and found his baptism there.
There is also a burial for a Benjamin King for 18/12/1723 (Great Yarmouth) with parents as Jno and Marga listed but otherwise their records were a bit scant for that time.
I will have a look later at some other names.
Jackie
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Chris,
You have managed to get back a long way.
Yesterday I looked on freereg which has reasonable coverage for Norfolk, and see that they have transcripts for Winterton. I do not know the extent of the coverage or if it differs from the Winterton Parish registers you have access to. I did notice “Abel” due to his unusual name. ;) Another observation is that there were not many burial records. That may mean they have not been transcribed yet, or that they did not survive. It can useful to try to match up the births with the deaths to ensure you are not marrying off someone years later when they died as an infant. :)
Have you looked for wills for any of your family members?
Presumably you have looked for births for those you have noted as being “born about”? There should be a list (somewhere) of the earliest records and what records have survived for the parish.
Added:
Some information under Parish Records:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NFK/Winterton
And:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Winterton,_Norfolk_Genealogy
There are good links on the above sites, some of which you are probably already aware of.
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I had heard that a person Richard/Ivan King had undertaken some research and there is a website up and running, however, it has not been updated since the early 2000's, the internet address is from a defunct company, but if you know if he's living I would be interested in contacting him. Thanks Chris
I can't tell if you are saying the website is still on line or not. If it is, have you tried the whois database? Start here:
https://www.whois.net/
or
https://www.godaddy.com/offers/whois?isc=gofd1001aj&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI44mliNf55AIVDGKGCh1M0wmpEAAYASAAEgJeOvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
That will give you a contact email. Even if it is privacy protected, they should forward it to the website owner.
If it isn't online, have you tried the Internet Archive for old versions of the site?
https://archive.org/
The whole site might not be there, but you might find an "About" page with some contact information, or his location, etc. Anything that you can use to find him using Google or the UK address/phone book online (I forget the name of the site, in the US it is whitepages.com).
Or just Google what you know about him. You might turn up something--a new site of his, or another location with the information you are looking for.
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:) Or did you do all that and his email address is what is from a defunct company?
Try Googling his name and the email address anyway. He might have used it somewhere else that will help you find him. If you turn up a username on a forum, Google the username, he might have re-used that, etc.
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Well the website I found was
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/i/n/Ivan-R-King/index.html
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/i/n/Ivan-R-King/GENE6-0001.html
Not updated since 2004 but Ivan R King did a fantastic job I'd buy him a pint if I could!
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Phone directories.
Social media.
Deaths/Obituaries.
Ancestry have fairly recent births deaths and marriages. Look for his birth or marriage, see if he has siblings or children who may have an online presence and contact them.
Check to see if he is a member of “Genes Reunited” (if it is still running).
If there is a Winterton historical society or similar - they may know of him.
I’m afraid I don’t have social media or subscriptions to any pay sites at the moment otherwise I would do some digging for you. :)
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There is a tree on Tribal pages which lists Abel King b1740 in Winterton - The Smith Family Tree - you may be able to contact the owner/ask to view.
Jackie
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@ dr_chris_graham
I PM'd you some information a few days ago, did you receive it?
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Yep I received the info, was going to collate it tomorrow. Been a bit of a busy week this week. Info on the Kings is most appreciated.
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Have you looked at this site, www.fleggisland.co.uk it gives bmd info for Kings in Winterton and surrounding villages. There may be some help for you on there, Dave.
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Yep I received the info, was going to collate it tomorrow. Been a bit of a busy week this week. Info on the Kings is most appreciated.
Has your research lead to looking at any graves for Kings in Winterton churchyard, or any Kings in the chuch rolls of honours? I live near the village so would be happy to help if you needed any King headstones/rolls of honour etc.
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Actually someone sent me a copy of the locations of the gravestones in Winterton for the Kings already. Interesting, item of note Dick King who replied back to me started off the geneological research twenty years ago and undertook it for ten years, now in correspondence it has been engaging to swap information. One item of interest is that a John Hopknee's King wrote a diary from the turn of the C20th century to about 1940 which should have some interesting snippets about country village life. Cheers Chris
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Norfolk Family History magazine about 1999 (with permission by author Richard King)
THE KINGS OF THE FLEGGS 176O to 1939 This study of the KINGS of the Flegg villages of East Norfolk is based on an examination of places of birth, occupations of the fathers and marriages (where they indicate the occupations of the grooms and fathers concerned). Three particular features are revealed by this. The first is the high concentration in one particular village - Winterton. Of the births in all the 18 Flegg villages over two-thirds were in this coastal- village. In the first half of this period (to about 1840) there were a few in the inland villages of Burgh St.Margaret, Ormesby and Rollesby but virtually none in the other vi1Iages. The second half of the period shows a sma11 but steady rise of KING births in Caister and Hemsby. The second feature is the migratory trends in this area which is closely related to the occupation of particular KING families. Those in Winterton were essentially fishing families and all remained there until about 1840. After this there was migration along the coast to Caister, Newport(Hermsby), Sea Palling and Yarmouth. This was probably not due to fishing itself but to the establishment of Beach Companies by Winterton men at these locations. (See 'The Beachmen' by David Higgins). Rarely did a Winterton' King move to an inland village. The KINGS in the inland villages were largely farm labourers (and later farmers) and although there was a tendency to move to other villages they seldom changed occupation even if they moved to a coastal vi11age. (See map). The third feature is the rise and fall in the total number of KINGS in the Fleggs compared with the total population of these villages. The graph shows that although there was a steady rise i-n the population of the Flegg Hundreds the KING births rose rapidly at the end of the 1-9th Century, peaked in the first two decades of the 20th Century and then declined abruptly. It would be interesting to know if other surnames showed these tendencies and if there are similar concentrations of KINGS in other parts of Norfolk.
If anyone is interested I can provide the graphs
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Hi There, I'm really interested to learn of your research into the Kings of Winterton. Following the recent death of my Aunty, we discovered a copy of family tree which shows that I am a descendant of Abel and Ann King. The writing is hard to decipher but the tree references, what looks like, 'Jimmy (1811) and Harriet (1814)' However, sadly it doesn't go and further back. I would be fascinated to learn more about Kings but unfortunately don't really have the time to delve into the archives and research the intricacies for myself. Chris, is it possible for you to share any of your findings beyond the information that you have already highlighted in your previous posts? It's fascinating and my family and I would love to know more! Kindest regards, Catherine
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King-Smith.
Abel King married Ann Haylett 31 July 1820 at Winterton.
He was baptized 17 December 1794 son of Abel King and Elizabeth Derry.
He died 9 November 1828 age 34 Buried Winterton
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When James King married Harriet Green 7 December 1837 he gave his father as Abel King fisherman.
His birth is always 1811/1812 so he is too young to be the son of Abel King and Ann unless this Abel had been married before or there was an affair.
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I haven't found James baptism in the Winterton registers (so far) NFHS transcriptions and FindMyPast.
However he may be the last child of Abel senior and his wife Elizabeth nee Derry who married 24 February 1794 at Winterton.
Children
Abel 1794 died 1828 age 34, married Ann Haylett 1820
Robert 1796
Mary 1797 married Joseph Sutton 23 September 1821 wit. Abel King
Elizabeth 1799 married Simon Sheales 24 April 1825 witness sisters Lydia and Mary Ann
William 1801
Isaac 1803 died 20 August 1837 age 34,
Lydia 1805 married John Haylett 15 November 1837 Winteron
Benjamin 1807 married Lydia Flaxman 18 July 1831-wit. John King and JAMES KING
John Derry 1809
***Possibly James 1811** did they forget to baptize him?
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1841 census Winterton
Abel King 70 - death 2 December 1845 age 78 Winterton
Elizabeth King 70
1851 Census
Elizabeth King 80 wd. Land Proprietor born Somerton Norfolk
Elizabeth Sheales 51 wd pauper (this is her daughter)
Christiana A King 14 niece ( daughter of Benjamin King son of Abel and Elizabeth who married Lydia Flaxman 1831)
Other coincidences are 29 August 1845 Merchant Seaman records National Archives
James King DOB 11 May 1811 resides Winterton 5' 61/2", Light hair, fresh complexion, grey eyes
Benjamin King DOB 19 May 1807 resides Winterton 5' 61/2" Brown hair, fresh complexion, brown eyes.
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James King who married Harriet Green 7 December 1837
children
Robert Dreary Green King bap. 15 September 1839 - died 25 June 1913
James George Green King bap 20 September 1841
Harriet Maria Green King birth reg 1843 East & West Flegg - died 25 February 1921 age 77
Abel William Green King reg 1846 same - buried 29 June 1848 age 1 year 9 months.
James senior died 17 February 1900
Harriet his wife died 28 June 1879
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Hi King-Smith Just to get you started here are some notes I have at hand. James King b abt 1811 d 17/2/1900
James King (1811-1900) in 1837 married Harriet Green (1813-1879) and had several children including James George Green King born in 1841/2.
James King born 1811 joined his older brother Benjamin King born 1807 in the fishing and beach trade, Benjamin staying in Winterton but his son Robert King born 1834 moved to Caister marrying Mary Ann Smith.
James5 King (Abel4, Abel3, Benjamin2, Jno1) was born Abt. 1811 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 17 Feb 1900 in Winterton, Norfolk. He married Harriet Green 07 Dec 1837 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk, daughter of John Green. She was born Abt. 1813 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 28 Jun 1879 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Notes for James King:
Buried aged 88
More About James King:
Burial: 21 Feb 1900, Holy Trinity & All Saints, winterton, Norfolk
Occupation: Fisherman, Beachman
Notes for Harriet Green:
Mar Wit: William Green & James Andrews
More About Harriet Green:
Baptism: 25 Jul 1813, Winterton
Burial: 03 Jul 1879, Holy Trinity & All Saints, winterton, Norfolk
Married 7/12/1837 Harriet Green b abt 1813 d 28/6/1879
James was the Son of Abel King b 6/10/1768 d 24/11/1845
Abel4 King (Abel3, Benjamin2, Jno1) was born 06 Oct 1768 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 24 Nov 1845 in Winterton, Norfolk. He married Elizabeth Deary 24 Feb 1794 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk, daughter of John Derry and Elizabeth Moore. She was born 17 Apr 1770 in Somerton, Norfolk, England, and died 27 Apr 1853 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Notes for Abel King:
Buried aged 78 years. Lived in Endways 1794.
WILL:
14/4/1830 to my wife, Elizabeth all belongings,etc in own occupation and occupation by tenants for her natural life, with free liberty to her to mortgage and take up reasonable sum she may want incase of sickness, etc to my wife all my right share and property of any boats or vessels on decease of said wife all sold for most money equal share to all children wife sole executor The mark of A (Abel King).
1804 Sea Fencibles - on themackerel fishing.
More About Abel King:
Baptism: 06 Oct 1768, Winterton
Burial: 02 Dec 1845, Winterton NFK
Census: 1841, Abel & Elizabeth, both aged 70. Abel listed as a Farmer.
Occupation: Fisherman
Will: 14 Apr 1830, Located Norfolk and Norwich Archbishop Wills 1818-1857 (1846 W2-2 ANW (Arch.D. of Norwich MF 363)
Able King who was the son of Abel King b 1740/1741 d 11/12/1783 who was as the son of Benjamin King b Abt 1715/1717 d abt 1777
Abel3 King (Benjamin2, Jno1) was born Abt. 1741 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 11 Dec 1783 in Norfolk. He married Jane Hodds 14 Dec 1767 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk. She was born Abt. 1746 in Winterton, Norfolk. From Richard King, Jane Hodds drowned at sea 11/12/1783.
Monday one Abel KING, who lived at Hemsby, observing a smuggling cutter lay off the coast, went, in company with another person, on board, but some dispute arising between them and the crew, KING, we hear, by some accident, fell overboard and was drowned.
Benjamin2 King (Jno1) was born Abt. 1717 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died Abt. 1777. He married Elizabeth Abel 21 Oct 1740 in Hethersett, Norfolk, daughter of Thomas ABEL and Elizabeth. She was born Abt. 1720 in Hethersett, Norfolk.
More About Benjamin King:
Christening: 15 Jul 1717, Old Meeting House - Goal St, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
More About Elizabeth Abel:
Baptism: 19 Mar 1719, Hethersett
Children of Benjamin King and Elizabeth Abel are:
+ 3 i. Abel3 King, born Abt. 1741 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 11 Dec 1783 in Norfolk.
+ 4 ii. Jimmy King, born 1745.
Benjamin King who was the son of John King (Jno) occupation mariner.
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John King,
Jno King He married Margaret.
Child of Jno King and Margaret is:
+ 2 i. Benjamin King, born Abt. 1717 in Winterton, Norfolk; died Abt. 1777.
a burial for a Benjamin King for 18/12/1723 (Great Yarmouth) with parents as Jno and Marga listed
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This is an interesting one on the note on Christening
Benjamin King 1717
2. Benjamin2 King (Jno1) was born Abt. 1717 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died Abt. 1777. He married Elizabeth Abel 21 Oct 1740 in Hethersett, Norfolk, daughter of Thomas ABEL and Elizabeth. She was born Abt. 1720 in Hethersett, Norfolk.
Elizabeth poss died 1777
More About Benjamin King:
Christening: 15 Jul 1717, Old Meeting House - Goal St, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
More About Elizabeth Abel:
Baptism: 19 Mar 1719, Hethersett
Children of Benjamin King and Elizabeth Abel are:
+ 3 i. Abel3 King, born Abt. 1741 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 11 Dec 1783 in Norfolk.
+ 4 ii. Jimmy King, born 1745.
England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name King
Birth year -
Baptism year 1717
Baptism date 15 Jul 1717
Place Yarmouth
Denomination Presbyterian
Father's first name(s) Jno
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Norfolk
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1973
Description NORFOLK: Yarmouth, Gaol Street, Old Meeting (Presbyterian): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England
Record Transcription:
Norfolk Banns And Marriages
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name King
Sex Male
Year 1740
Marriage date 21 Oct 1740
Parish Hethersett
Diocese Norwich
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Able
County Norfolk
Country England
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Archive reference PD 41/4
Archive year range 1730-1782
Page 13
Record set Norfolk Banns And Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Abel King 1740
3. Abel3 King (Benjamin2, Jno1) was born Abt. 1741 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 11 Dec 1783 in Norfolk. He married Jane Hodds 14 Dec 1767 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk. She was born Abt. 1746 in Winterton, Norfolk. From Richard King, Jane Hodds drowned at sea 11/12/1783.
Norfolk Chronicle
Extracts from November 15th 1783
Monday one Abel KING, who lived at Hemsby, observing a smuggling cutter lay off the coast, went, in company with another person, on board, but some dispute arising between them and the crew, KING, we hear, by some accident, fell overboard and was drowned.
King, I.R. The Kings of Winterton. History and family tree of Abel King born 1741 and Jane Hodds (Hodge) of Winterton, Hethersett and Waxham, with the following surnames, Derry, George, Brown, Salter, Haylett, Amis, Sutton, Sheales, Flaxman, Green and Rex. Dated 1739-1944 and is in The Norfolk Ancestor. vol. 7 pt. 12, pages 501-503, Family History Library Ref. 942.61 B2j n.6-13
Children of Abel King and Jane Hodds are:
+ 5 i. Abel4 King, born 06 Oct 1768 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 24 Nov 1845 in Winterton, Norfolk.
6 ii. William King, born 28 Nov 1770 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 08 Jul 1848 in Winterton, Norfolk. He married Lydia George 05 Aug 1793 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk; born 03 May 1771 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 03 May 1840 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Notes for William King:
Mar Wit: John Dybell & James Symonds.
WILL for WILLIAM KING(GT.YAR) 1848 W56 67 MF 363
I, William King, late Fishing Master and Mariner. 25/3/1844
Nominated Executors - Benjamin King (younger brother) - William King (son of my elder brother,Abel) my land and cottages in Winterton (tenanted by John Hodds and William Smith) to William King, one of my executors.my other cottage and land (occupied by John Amiss) to Lydia (the daughter of James and Mary King) formerly of the same parish. To brother Benjamin - all furniture, chattels, personal estate,etc after payment of funeral expenses/debts. (If Benjamin should depart before - divided amongst surviving children of Abel (my elder brother) William X his mark.
Proved at Great Yarmouth (William King) 17/7/1848 .
1804 SeaFencibles.
More About William King:
Baptism: 28 Nov 1770, Winterton
Burial: Winterton
Census: 1841, Fisherman - age 70 - Great Yarmouth
Occupation: Fisherman
Notes for Lydia George:
Of Yarmouth on bur
More About Lydia George:
Burial: 07 May 1840, Winterton
7 iii. Benjamin King, born 20 Jan 1773 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 03 Jan 1855 in Winterton, Norfolk. He married Christiana Brown 25 Dec 1797 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk; born 25 Dec 1774 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 10 May 1828 in Winterton.
More About Benjamin King:
Census: 1841, Aged 65 - Fisherman - Winterton
Occupation: Fisherman
More About Christiana Brown:
Baptism: 25 Dec 1774, Holy Trinity & All Saints, winterton, Norfolk
8 iv. Elizabeth King, born 22 Aug 1775 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 27 Dec 1777 in Winterton, Norfolk.
9 v. Elizabeth King, born 02 Nov 1780 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 22 Sep 1830 in Winterton, Norfolk. She married Jonathan Salter 05 Dec 1803 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk; born Abt. 1777 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 18 Jun 1837 in Winterton, Norfolk.
10 vi. Isaac King, born 18 Nov 1778 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 27 Feb 1832 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 11 vii. Mary King, born 08 Apr 1783 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 20 Jul 1834 in Winterton, Norfolk.
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Abel King b1768 this is a good one.IF I have the right King, the dates make sense.
Abel4 King (Abel3, Benjamin2, Jno1) was born 06 Oct 1768 in Winterton, Norfolk, and died 24 Nov 1845 in Winterton, Norfolk. He married Elizabeth Deary 24 Feb 1794 in Holy Trinity & All Saints, Winterton, Norfolk, daughter of John Derry and Elizabeth Moore. She was born 17 Apr 1770 in Somerton, Norfolk, England, and died 27 Apr 1853 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Notes for Abel King:
Buried aged 78 years. Lived in Endways
1794.
WILL:
14/4/1830 to my wife, Elizabeth all belongings,etc in own occupation and occupation by tenants for her natural life, with free liberty to her to mortgage and take up reasonable sum she may want incase of sickness, etc to my wife all my right share and property of any boats or vessels on decease of said wife all sold for most money equal share to all children wife sole executor The mark of A (Abel King).
1804 Sea Fencibles - on themackerel fishing.
More About Abel King:
Baptism: 06 Oct 1768, Winterton
Burial: 02 Dec 1845, Winterton NFK
Census: 1841, Abel & Elizabeth, both aged 70. Abel listed as a Farmer.
Occupation: Fisherman
Will: 14 Apr 1830, Located Norfolk and Norwich Archbishop Wills 1818-1857 (1846 W2-2 ANW (Arch.D. of Norwich MF 363)
Notes for Elizabeth Deary:
Mar Wit: Lucretia ,,? & Sarah Goffin
More About Elizabeth Deary:
Baptism: 17 Apr 1770, Winterton
Occupation: Land Proprietor 1851
Children of Abel King and Elizabeth Deary are:
+ 13 i. Abel5 King, born 15 Dec 1794 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 09 Nov 1828 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 14 ii. Robert King, born 25 Apr 1796 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 31 Mar 1836 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 15 iii. Mary King, born 22 Dec 1797 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 16 iv. Elizabeth King, born 27 Aug 1799 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 20 Oct 1857 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 17 v. William King, born 14 Dec 1801 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 23 Dec 1892 in Winterton, Norfolk.
18 vi. Isaac King, born 04 Oct 1803 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 20 Aug 1837 in Winterton, Norfolk.
Notes for Isaac King:
Unmarried
More About Isaac King:
Baptism: 04 Oct 1803, Winterton
+ 19 vii. Lydia King, born 03 Oct 1805 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 23 Mar 1877 in Caister, Norfolk.
+ 20 viii. Benjamin King, born 19 May 1807 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 21 Jun 1881 in Winterton, Norfolk.
+ 21 ix. John Derry King, born 17 Jun 1809 in Winterton, Norfolk, England; died Abt. 1850 in Sea, Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia.
+ 22 x. James King, born Abt. 1811 in Winterton, Norfolk; died 17 Feb 1900 in Winterton, Norfolk.
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HMS Mastiff (1797)
HMS Mastiff was launched at Hull in 1790, as Herald. From there she traded with the Baltic. The British Royal Navy purchased her in 1797, had her fitted at Leith, and named her GB №35, and then Mastiff. She served as a convoy escort in the North Sea until she wrecked in 1800.
After the onset of war with France Britain's merchant fleet provided French, and later Dutch privateers with a target-rich environment. The British Royal Navy needed escort vessels and a quick fix was to buy existing merchant vessels, arm and man them, and then deploy them. Between March and April the Admiralty purchased 10 brigs at Leith, Herald among them. The Royal Navy initially designated these as GB №__, but then gave them names before they actually sailed.
GB №35 underwent fitting at Leith between 20 March 1797 and 11 July. In April Lieutenant John Clements commissioned her for the North Sea. The Navy renamed her Mastiff on 7 November 1797
In January, Mastiff was under the command of Lieutenant James Watson. As she was sailing from Great Yarmouth on 5 January 1800, bound for Leith via the Northern Passage, she rounded the Cockle Buoy. As she did so, the wind died down. A strong ebb tide with a swell then carried her on to the Cockle Sands, wrecking her.[ Hepper, David J. (1994) British Warship Losses in the Age of Sail, 1650–1859. (Rotherfield: Jean Boudriot). ISBN 0-948864-30-3]
Two fishermen from Winterton, in Norfolk, Abel King and William Pile, volunteered to go out and try to rescue the crew. Other fishermen from Winterton joined them. In all, and at great risk to their own lives, the fishermen rescued upwards of 30 of the crew (Dodsley, J. (1810) The Annual Register, Or, A View of the History, Politics, and Literature for the Year 1800).
On 7 April, the Lords of the Admiralty gave 25 guineas each to King and Pile, and another 100 guineas to be distributed to the other volunteers, in recognition of their efforts to save Mastiff's crew.
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The Gentleman's Magazine, Volume 87
F. Jeffries, 1800
P312 Preservation of the Mastiff’s Crew correctly stated.April 1800.
On the morning of the 5th of January, the Mastiff gun-vessel, under the command of Lieut. Watson, coming out of the Yarmouth Roads, and steering Northwards, struck in a thick fog on some part of the Cockle sands. Signals of distress were immediately fired; which being noticed by the sea-faring inhabitants of Winterton, they with all dispatch manned two of their boats, and surmounting, not without considerable difficulty and hazard , the great swell upon the beach, hastened to her assistance. Arriving a near the vessel as her perilous situation and the violence of the sea about her would permit, they perceived the impossibility of rendering her at that time the relief they wished. In the course of the afternoon, however, they had the good fortune to succour eight of the ship’s company, who in despair had betaken themselves to the ship’s boat, already much injured in the attempt, and nearly filled with water. With these eight persons they made the nearest shore; and, after having procured for them such accommodations and comforts as they could they went back before day-break the next morning to take their station near the Mastiff, and to watch if, perhaps, by any favourable change in wind or tide, a momentary opportunity might be found of reducing her brave crew from the destruction which else inevitably awaited them.
Such an opportunity towards the evening seemed to offer; when two of them, named Abel King and William Pile, volunteered, at the hazard of their lives, to attempt to pass in a larger boat, which they had now obtained (from a just apprehension that the too eager such of the ship’s company might overset or sink their own), through a tremendous sea, towards, the vessel; whilst the rest of the another boat, connected with them by a rope, remainder in smoother water to assist them in returning should have taken out the crew of the Mastiff.
This courageous project was crowned with the most complete success; and under Divine Providence, these men became the happy instruments of saving Lieut. Watson, with the matter of the vessel, and more than 30 sailors, from that fate which was now drawing on apace, six or seven of their number having already perished through fatigue and cold, and the ship shortly afterwards breaking entirely in pieces.
Their Lordships’ decision was at once highly honoured to themselves and to the parties in whose favour it was made; and shortly afterwards the Commissions of the Navy ordered, that 150 guineas should be paid, by their Storekeeper at Yarmouth, into the hands of the person by whom the above-mentioned statement was drawn up, to be distributed by him amongst the boatmen of Winterton, “in reward of their intrepid and meritorious exertions in saving their crew of the Mastiff gun-vessel,” in the following proportions , namely to Abel King and William Pile 25 guineas each, and the remaining 100 guineas in equal shares amongst 18 other persons assistant to them on that occasion.
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King-Smith.
Interesting seeing reference to light hair and grey eyes which I could have inherited being a descendent of Benjamin King b 1717.
I believe there may have been one more child of James King and Harriet Green; John James King GREEN, born 1837 in Winterton. Although households might have been fluid at the time and records can be inaccurate/need to be taken with a pinch of salt.