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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: philrmoon on Sunday 06 October 19 18:12 BST (UK)
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Hi can anyone help please
I am looking for frederick Hurley's baptism in Somerset abt 1836 ??
One family tree gives is parents as john Hurley and frances ,??
But cannot find a marriage of john to a frances ?? Nor frederick's Baptism ??
Please all information welcome
Regards Phil
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Did Frederick get married
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I assume he is the 5 year old with the Crocker family in 1841 at Bawdrip, Bridgwater
HO107/953 bk 1 f5 p5
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A possible
Frederic Hurleigh
19th February 1836
Woollavington, Somerset
Parents John & Frances
John was an inn keeper
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Yes he did marry and moved to Gloucestershire
Was a Baker
Regards Phil
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Hi John HURLY 45 Occ Publican NBIC
Frances 35
James 14 NBIC
Elizabeth Webb 23
Residing Bawdrip
Census ref HO107/953/ 1/7 / 8
Keyboard86
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:) OK it looks like they used also the HURLY surname; as Frederick Hurly 15 occ Apprentice Baker b Bridgwater is with a Gunston family in 1851.
Census ref HO107/1923/291/4
Keyboard86
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Hi thanks for your information
Who did john Hurley marry and where a frances ???
Regards Phil
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Hi thanks for your information
Who did john Hurley marry and where a frances ???
Regards Phil
Where were John/Frances and James in 1851?
Keyboard86
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OK have you got the marriage certificate of Frederick Hurley to Elizabeth Harriett Rice 13th March 1864 Clifton Wood, St Peter, Gloucestershire
Father John Hurley
John Hyatt Rice
1871 as Frederick HARLEY 35 occ Baker
Census ref RG10/2561/87/21
Keyboard86
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Hi
Well john Hurley died in 1841 after the census apparently
According the the family tree I reviewed ???
Not sure where frances and james were yet ??
Regards Phil
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Hi Rosie99,
The only Frederick HURLEY I could find that fits the criteria is this fellow
Frederick Marcus HURLEY bap 9th August 1835 at St Nicholas of Myra, Strood, Kent, to William Pearce HURLEY and his wife Ann. His father is a Sawyer and they reside in Strood, Kent.
This same fellow was buried a the same place on the 30th July 1852.
Cheers
Geoff
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Hello philrmoon,
First to advise you not to accept the family trees online as being accurate. Up to now, I have found most of these to be incorrect and the problem is that other people copy them and continue the errors. You need to check everything for yourself and be satisfied the entries are right.
You say that Frederick Hurley married and moved to Gloucestershire. I presume he is the one in the 1871 census living in 9 Narrow Plain, Bristol, and married to Elizabeth. His age is given as 35, so year of birth would have been 1836. He was born Somerset. They have 5 children, including a daughter named Frances. Frederick's occupation is a Baker.
Their marriage appears to be in Clifton Registration District in the March quarter of 1864, Frederick Hurley married Elizabeth Harriett Rice. Find my Past has the marriage on 13 March 1864 at St Peter, Clifton Wood. Frederick's father was John Hurley, occupation: Baker. Elizabeth's father was John Hyatt Rice, occupation: Tin Plate worker. Elizabeth was a minor.
In 1881, Frederick is living at 9 Narrow Plain, Bristol with Elizabeth and 8 children. He is shown as born Somerset, a Baker by occupation.
In the 1891 census, Frederick Hurley is still living at 9 Narrow Plain, Bristol. He is a widower, age 55 and a Baker, born Woolavington, Somerset. He has 5 children living with him.
Frederick's baptism appears to be the one on 19 February 1836 at Woolavington, son of John and Frances Hurleigh. John is an Innkeeper. He was baptised as Frederic Hurleigh.
In the 1901 census Frederick Hurley is living with his son, Arthur Ernest Hurley, in 7 South Place, Bristol. Frederick is shown as a widower, age 67, a Baker/breadmaker, born Bridgewater, Somerset.
There is a Frederick Hurley in the 1911 census, he is aged 75, a widower, living with his son, Walter Benjamin Hurley and his family. They are in Under Arches, Water Court, Whitehouse, Bristol. There is a query with this in that he shows his occupation as Stone Mason.
Frederick's death looks to be in Bristol in the March quarter of 1915, aged 79. That puts his year of birth as 1836.
I would recommend researching this line as it seems to be the most likely for the Frederick Hurley you are seeking.
Jo.
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Hi
Well john Hurley died in 1841 after the census apparently
According the the family tree I reviewed ???
Not sure where frances and james were yet ??
Regards Phil
Hi if the "Tree" states John Hurley/Hurly died in 1841/2 Bridgwater they were aged 30 & 0
Keyboard86
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Check a marriage for John Hurley to Frances Cribb on 31 March 1834. I cannot find where it took place. John Hurley may have died in 1841 in Bridgewater. He is in the 1841 census in Bawdrip, age 45 a Publican. Frances, age 35, is in the household as is James, age 16.
Registration District: Bridgewater, piece 953, Book 1, Folio 7, Page 8.
Jo.
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Check a marriage for John Hurley to Frances Cribb on 31 March 1834. I cannot find where it took place. John Hurley may have died in 1841 in Bridgewater. He is in the 1841 census in Bawdrip, age 45 a Publican. Frances, age 35, is in the household as is James, age 16.
Registration District: Bridgewater, piece 953, Book 1, Folio 7, Page 8.
Jo.
Hi Jo, look at my previous post/s?
Keyboard86
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Hi thanks for all the information
So we have a possible marriage 1834 ??
Of John hurle/ Hurley/ hurleigh to a frances criddle ??
Regards Phil
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Sorry that last message should have read
Frances cribb
Marriage 1834
To a john hurl/ Hurley/ hurleigh
Regards Phil
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Somerset Marriage index transcription
John Harding bac
Frances Cribb spin
31st March 1834
Wookey, Somerset
By banns
Witnesses James Dowling, Mary Harding, John Monk
England marriages has Hurding, no images
There is a John & Fanny Harding in Wookey 1841/51/61, born 1812/16 in last two
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Hi
I will have a look at that
Thanks
Regards Phil
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:) Look are we looking for Hurley/Hurly or Harding, if Harding as suggested they are on 1841/51/61 ? Both Harding children on 1851 Wookey have mmn CRIBB
A Fanny Hurly 41 Married/Visitor b North Curry on census ref HO107/1934/304/28?
Keyboard86
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Hi
It's not the Harding that's been suggested
Hurley/ hurle/ hurleigh
John to a frances ?? Marriage
Regards Phil
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:) OK so on the exact same day 31st March 1834 a Frances Cribb married a John Hurley somewhere?
Keyboard86
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Hi
Its possible
As frederick hurley was born 1836 ( not living with his parents in 1841
But with parents was a james hurley
Perhaps their son ??
Can we find his Baptism
Plus any other siblings to John and frances
John was a inn keeper !!
Regards Phil
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:) Phil, as you know, I know that John Hurley/Hurly was a Publican/Inn Keeper in 1841 census, Frederick Hurley aged 5 in Bawdrip looks to be a visitor to the Crocker household, possibly James Hurly 16 was also a visitor to John & Frances?
Keyboard86
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The details of the marriage between John and Frances in 1834 that are online (Find my Past) have his surname as Hurding. It is odd as there is no place shown for the location of the marriage. I have found another version using Frances Cribb in the search. This has the same details posted by Comberton, that the marriage was in Wookey and John is shown as Harding. Ancestry has the original Marriage Banns and it is clearly John Harding. He is a bachelor, of the parish of Wookey. Frances is a spinster and of the parish of Ilminster. It looks as though we may have to rule out this marriage.
My other concern is that there appear to be a number of people by the name of John Hurley in the Bridgewater area. This is based on entries that come up on Find my Past.
The entry for John Hurley, Frances and James in the 1841 census shows that neither John, nor James, was born in Somerset. In view of the age difference between John and Frances, 45 and 35 respectively, I did wonder if it was a second marriage. It may be less than that in view of the ages being rounded up, or down, to the nearest five years in the 1841 census.
There are trees for John Hurley on Ancestry which have him born 1795, Cannington, Somerset. The original parish register is on Ancestry which shows a baptism for John Hurley on 19 April 1795, son of Richard and Minissa Hurley. The mother's name is difficult to decipher. The tree has her maiden name as Phippen.
There are three Family Trees on Ancestry for Frederick Hurley, quite definitely the same person as we are looking for. Two of these are public and one private. One tree has his father as John Hurley, mother Frances Cribb but the other has no details for the parents.
I think it needs more research to identify the correct details for Frederick Hurley. What is your interest philrmoon?
Jo
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Hi
Frederick's parents were richard and ??? ,phippen
And frederick was an apprentice baker
John was an inn keeper
Frances cribb marriage not the one I agree
If john was born out of county ?? Interesting
Regards Phil
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There is a report in the Bristol Times and Mirror which covers trials in Bristol Police Court. One dated 23 March 1867 reads, "Thomas Hanley was charged with stealing a piece of beef worth 9s, the property of James Hurley, butcher of Lawrence Hill, Clarence Road, St Phillips on Saturday night. A young man named Pope saw the man take the meat from the counter and run off and he with Frederick Hurley, went after him and secured him, finding the meat in his possession. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 6 weeks hard labour".
James Hurley bc1827 can be found n census returns in Bristol as a Butcher. Frederick Hurley was in Bristol and a Baker. There are other press reports which mention Frederick Hurley, Baker, in Bristol.
Jo.
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Hi my interest
Is that the hurley family are my wife's relatives
Regards Phil
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The name variants for Hurley/Hurle etc are very numerous and often names that you wouldn't believe could be derived from these. I have one of these in my family and it is a nightmare trying to fathom all the possible variants. The name is common in Somerset and in some areas especially.
You also find the names Hurley and Hurle in Dorset, plus Devon. I have been told that Hurley is of Irish origins but there are some English ones as well. Hurle tends to be from the villages round the Mendips in Somerset but they can be found in Dorset and a few other areas in the west country.
It is often shown as Hurdle, Hurdell, Hearle and so on in the early registers. You have to bear in mind that in the old days it was all phonetic. Having a Somerset accent would have made the name sound very different in those days, so there are many variants we have to contend with.
Jo
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Thanks joe
For all the information
I think going by research
Frederick's father came from cannington Somerset b 1795 ( with whatever spelling )
Regards Phil
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Thanks joe
For all the information
I think going by research
Frederick's father came from cannington Somerset b 1795 ( with whatever spelling )
Regards Phil
Hi as John is shown as not born in county in 1841, and at present we cannot locate him in 1851 and the deaths in Bridgwater 1841/2 are for much younger Johns, how do you know of him being born Cannington?
The John Hurley baptised 1795 Cannington was buried 21st July 1839 St Mary the Blessed Virgin Cannlngton aged 45.
Keyboard86
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The information on John Hurley baptised in Cannington, Somerset, has come from a Family Tree on Ancestry. There are a couple of trees for Frederick Hurley baptised in Woolavington, 1836 and one of these has his father as John Hurley, baptised 1795 in Cannington.
I agree this is unlikely to be correct in view of the entries on the 1841 census. The question is where was he born?
The two people by the names of Frederick Hurley and John Hurley that we have in the 1841 census returns look to be the right ones. That means neither John Hurley, nor James Hurley (whatever the relationship) were not born in Somerset.
Jo.
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OK going back to post 27, in 1861 for whatever reason James Hurley has been transcribed as George Hurlow 35 occ Butcher b Devon with wife Anna 30 b Somerset and daughter Ellen 8 months b Bristol
On original their is also on same street what looks like a Frederick Hurley occ Baker, but much older than the Frederick aged 5 in 1841.
Census ref RG09/1735/107/28
Children of James Hurley the Butcher have mmn Day, marriage?
Ellen Hurley baptised 30th September 1860 born 23rd July 1860 Bristol
Father James Mother Anna
Keyboard86
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Hi thanks for all the trouble
Seems the John Hurley b 1795
The son of Richard Hurley and lemina melissa phippen
John had a son frederick b ???
Frederick Hurley was an apprentice baker
1841 census says he was a lodger with another family
Perhaps his parents or one of them died by 1841
Bit of a headache this search ??
Regards Phil
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:) Hi if you read all replies, the John Hurley 45 in 1841 was not born in Somerset, the Cannington John died 1839 Cannington?
Keyboard86
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:) OK I am getting these notes off my pad but need answers re marriage/baptisms of James Hurley b c 1826 and Ann/Anna Day b 1832 Creech.
1871 census
James Hurley 45 occ Butcher b Devon ( cannot make out just where in Devon)
Anna 39 b Crick? Somerset
Ellen 10
Alfred James 9
Jane 5
All children b Bristol
Residing at Clarence Road, Clifton
Census ref RG10/2559/90/19
1881 census
James Hurley 55 occ Master Butcher b Bridgwater?
Ann 49 b Creech, Somerset
Helen 20
Alfred J 19
Jane 15
Residing at Lawrence Hill, Bristol
Census ref RG11/2497/67/39
All children mmn Day
Keyboard86
EDIT In 1901 James Hurley is shown as John father aged 76 b Sowley? Devonshire with son Alfred J.
He dies as James Hurley Sept qtr 1904 Bristol aged 79
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I cannot find a marriage for James Hurley and Ann/Annie/Anna.
I think Sowley in Devon is Southleigh.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Southleigh
That has come up on a few searches.
Jo
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Hi again, I think Anna Day aged 19 is with her unmarried sister Mary 25 both born Creech residing in West Monkton, Taunton in 1851 census HO107/1923/297/17
So we have in 1861 James Hurley 35 occ Butcher but called George
1871/1881/1891 as James and 1901 as John?
Death as James?
Keyboard86
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Highly possible Anna & Mary Day married on the same day 20th May 1851 Bishops Hull , Anna to a Francis Wills and Mary to Thomas Bennett Dyer
Keyboard86
EDIT and then an Ann Wills possibly married a James HARLEY June qtr 1858 Bristol?
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The details of the marriage in 1858 fit with information we know on this couple.
The certificate shows they married at St Peter, Bristol, on 5 April 1858. James Harley, age 33, bachelor, Butcher, resident at 46 Castle St, father: John Harley, Baker.
Ann Wills, age 26, Widow, resident 46 Castle St, father: James Day, Yeoman.
Witnesses were: Thomas Harley and Elizabeth Harley.
Jo
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I have just found this post as I have not been on this site for a long time. I hope you get some form of notification. Frederick Hurley born woolavington, somerset in 1836 is my Great Grandfather. I have done a lot of research into the family.
Regards
Ted.
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Hi ted
Thanks for your reply
I will reply again later today
Best wishes Phil
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Bucher ,Baker just need a candle stick maker now 😁
I doing my tree and as said in the thread it can send you in wrong directions f not thorough that I honestly struggle with the time and patience. BUT .. I'm fairly sure these hurleys going back to Fred are my lot they are all from that part of bristol records are very mixed up and hard to put together even with living relatives in their 90s