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Title: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 27 October 19 16:29 GMT (UK)
have 51 in Willenhall staffs,61, and 71 need anything ie marriage or birth and family
Labourers Wife
Birth Year (Estimated):   1806
Birthplace:   
Shirlet, Salop
John Griffiths   Head   Male   49   Monford Bridge, Salop
Sarah Griffiths   Wife   Female   45   Shirlet, Salop or Barrow ?
Geoff
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 16:47 GMT (UK)
Just posting the 1851
Piece 2019 / Folio 499 Page 12

John Griffiths   49 bn Montford Bridge, Salop
Sarah Griffiths   45 bn Shirlet, Salop
John Griffiths   11 bn Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Hannah Griffiths   4 bn Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Griffiths   1 bn Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Did they have any more children
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: chempat on Sunday 27 October 19 17:04 GMT (UK)
Possibles
GRO births  December quarter 1839 in Wolverhampton and Seisdon
Hannah Griffiths mmn Lloyd
GRO reference : March quarter 1851 in Wolverhampton
John Thomas Griffiths mmn Lloyd

Added: I read Hannah as aged 11, if it is 4 then will have to reconsider.

Think you are right, it is 4.  Pity, because there only was one suitable Hannah birth if she had been 11.
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 17:10 GMT (UK)
have 51 in Willenhall staffs,61, and 71

It would help us if you gave the details
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 27 October 19 17:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks 1
Charles Griffiths   Son   Male   6   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
geoff
1861 census
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 17:15 GMT (UK)
Could we please have the census reference for 1861 & 1871
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 27 October 19 17:21 GMT (UK)
it is the family before 1851 I am asking for thanks
England and Wales Census, 1861
Sarah Griffiths
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Residence Note:   
St Matthew Street
Female Age: 55
Married
Birth Year (Estimated):   1806
Birthplace:   
Barrow, Shropshire
John Griffiths   Head   Male   60   Monmouth, Shropshire
Sarah Griffiths   Wife   Female   55   Barrow, Shropshire
Hannah Griffiths   Daughter   Female   14   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Henry Griffiths   Son   Male   11   Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths   Son   Male   6   Wolverhampton, Staffordshir

1871
Henry Griffiths
England and Wales Census, 1871 born (1850)
Henry Griffiths (marr 11 Oct 1874) - died 1885 age 37
Census 1871
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Male Age 21
Occupation:
Labourer In Iron Works
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Birth Year (Estimated):
1850
Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Griffiths Head Female 66 Shirlett, Shropshire
Henry Griffiths Son Male 21 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths Son Male 17 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 17:26 GMT (UK)
To find the family before 1851 we need to try and establish what Sarah's maiden name is.  The one way we may be able to do that is to locate a birth of one of the children.  That is why we are asking for 1861 /71 information
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: chempat on Sunday 27 October 19 17:28 GMT (UK)
How about
 
Hannah Griffiths mmn Harris
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON 
John Griffiths mmn Harris
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON AND SEISDON 
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 17:29 GMT (UK)
Possible birth reg for Henry
GRIFFITHS, HENRY       mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1849  D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON  Volume 17  Page 364

GRIFFITHS, CHARLES       HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1854  S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 385
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: chempat on Sunday 27 October 19 17:29 GMT (UK)
looking promising
     
Charles Griffiths mmn Harris
GRO Reference: 1854  S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 385
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 27 October 19 17:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry thanks
I did consider this but age would be 13 ?
John Griffiths
Spouse's Name:
Sarah Higgins
Event Date:
27 Dec 1819
Event Place:
Saint Peter Or Collegiate,Wolverhampton,Stafford,England
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 27 October 19 17:33 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage in Wolverhampton  31 May 1830 between a John Griffiths & Sarah Harris
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: chempat on Sunday 27 October 19 17:37 GMT (UK)
?
Sarah Harris
baptised 11th October 1806
Baptism Place:Willey,Shropshire
Father: Thos. Harris    Mother:  Jane
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 27 October 19 17:37 GMT (UK)
Yes pretty sure he is the one I am after
Griffiths, Harry henry
b.
11 Nov 1849
11 Nov 1849 Walsall Street
d.
1885
Age 37 Wolverhampton
m.
Rich, Martha
11 Oct 1874
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 28 October 19 11:51 GMT (UK)
Looks most likely family
Best prospect unless all names with a different mother exists?
There is a marriage in Wolverhampton 31 May 1830 between a John Griffiths & Sarah Harris,st johns chapel.
Sarah Harris
baptised 11th October 1806
Baptism Place:Willey,Shropshire
Father: Thos. Harris Mother: Jane
Possible birth reg for Henry
GRIFFITHS, HENRY mmn HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 364
GRIFFITHS, CHARLES HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 385
Hannah 1847
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Monday 28 October 19 15:51 GMT (UK)
Could this be brothers army record 1861 missing census
John Griffiths b 1839
England and Wales Census, 1861
not with family on 1861 could this be army record ?
Name:
John Griffiths
County:
Middlesex
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Event Place:
Twickenham, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary
Registration District:
Brentford
Gender:
Male
Age:
22
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Private 16 Lancers
Birth Year (Estimated):
1839
Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Page Number:
10
Registration Number:
RG09
Piece/Folio:
774 / 71
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Wednesday 12 February 20 13:57 GMT (UK)
looking for marr and census of Hannah, was same address as brother Charles, DARK STREET
poss
GRIFFITHS Hannah 20 s 25 Dec 1885 Dark Street John Griffiths Waggoner MOORE Joseph B Heath Town Wolverhampton
Joseph Moore
Census   1891
Wednesfield
Ecclesiastical Parish:   
HOLY TRINITY
Registration District:   
Wolverhampton
Age: 27 Married   
Coal Miner
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Head
Birth Year
1864
Birthplace:   
Staffordshire, England
Joseph Moore   Head   Male   27   Staffordshire, England
Hannah Moore   Wife   Female   24   Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ann Moore   Daughter   Female   0   Staffordshire, England

Joseph Moore
Census   
31 Mar 1901
Event Place:   
Heath Town, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
County:   Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Heath Town
Ecclesiastical Parish:   
Holy Trinity Heath Town
Sub-District: Willenhall Wolverhampton
Male Age: 39
Occupation: RAILWAY CARTER
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Head Birth Year 1862
Birthplace: W Hampton
Joseph Moore   Head   Male   39   W Hampton, Staffordshire
Hannah Moore   Wife   Female   34   W Hampton, Staffordshire
Sarah A Moore   Daughter   Female   10   Moseley, Staffordshire
Joseph Moore   Son   Male   7   Moseley, Staffordshire
Hannah Moore   Daughter   Female   2   Heath Town, Staffordshire
Noah Moore   Son   Male   0   Heath Town, Staffordshire

Name:   John Griffiths
Sex:   Male
Child:   Charles Griffiths
Other information in the record of Charles Griffiths and Sarah Rowley
England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944
Sarah Rowley Marriage 14 Jun 1886
Event Place:   
Heath Town, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Holy Trinity Dark St
Age: 25
Birth Year 1861
Father's Name:   
Benjamin Rowley
Spouse's Name:   
Charles Griffiths
Spouse's Residence Place:   
Dark St
Spouse's Age:   
30
Spouse's Father's Name:   
John Griffith
-------------------------------
Charles Griffiths
England and Wales Census, 1871
Charles Griffiths
Census 1871
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Male Age: 17
Sarah Griffiths Head Female 66 Shirlett, Shropshire
Henry Griffiths Son Male 21 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths Son Male 17 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Name: John Griffiths
Sex: Male
Child: Charles Griffiths
Other information in the record of Charles Griffiths and Sarah Rowley
from England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944
Name:
Sarah Rowley Marriage 14 Jun 1886
Heath Town, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Holy Trinity Dark St
Age: 25
Birth Year 1861
Father's Name:
Benjamin Rowley
Spouse's Name:
Charles Griffiths
Spouse's Residence Place:
Dark St
Spouse's Age:
30
Spouse's Father's Name:
John Griffiths
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Wednesday 12 February 20 19:16 GMT (UK)
Name:
Joseph More
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
25 Dec 1885
Event Place:
Heath Town, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Heath Town, Staffordshire, England
Parish:
Holy Trinity
Residence Place:
Dark Street
Age:
23
Birth Year (Estimated):
1862
Spouse's Name:
Hannah Griffiths
Spouse's Residence Place:
Dark Street
Spouse's Age:
20
Spouse's Father's Name:
John Griffiths
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: chempat on Thursday 13 February 20 12:46 GMT (UK)
Had to edit the above because I cannot read it
Marriage
Joseph More, living at Dark Street, age 23, married on 25 Dec 1885 at Heath Town, Staffordshire,
Parish: Holy Trinity
Spouse was Hannah Griffiths, age 20, also living at Dark Street, father's name John Griffiths
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Thursday 13 February 20 14:03 GMT (UK)
Looking for a marriage for brother john age 1 1851 census Have Henry. Charles and Hannah Have John age 11
John Griffiths Head M 49 Monford Bridge, Salop
Sarah Griffiths Wife F 45 Shirlet, Salop
John Griffiths Son M 11 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Hannah Griffiths Daughter F 4 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Griffiths Son M 1 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Thursday 13 February 20 14:19 GMT (UK)
Possible Parents
John Griffiths Son Male 1 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire--------------
Name: John Charles Griffiths
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 03 Mar 1850
Event Place: Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Parish: St John
Father's Name: William John Griffiths
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Griffiths
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Sunday 16 February 20 10:47 GMT (UK)
Pausing this but still seeking John 1850 ?
1851 Household
John Griffiths Head Male 49 Monford Bridge, Salop
Sarah Griffiths Wife Female 45 Shirlet, Salop
John Griffiths Son Male 11 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Hannah Griffiths Daughter Female 4 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Griffiths Son Male 1 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

. John POSSIBLE Griffiths was born 1801 in or 1810 Monmouth. He married Sarah Harris May 1830 in St Johns Wolverhampt. She was born 11 Oct 1806 in Barrow Willey Shropshire, daughter of Thomas Harris and jane unknown.
 HAVE CENSUS INFO
Children of John POSSIBLE Griffiths and Sarah Harris:
     i.                 John Griffiths was born 17 Apr 1839 in St Peters Wolverhampton
     ii.        2.        Hannah Griffiths was born 19 Jan 1847 in Willenhall wolverhampton
     iii.        3.        Henry HARRY Griffiths was born 11 Nov 1849 in 11 Nov 1849 Walsall Street and died 1885 in Age 37 Wolverhampton
     iv.        4.        Charles Griffiths was born 1855 in Wolverhampton
 
Generation 2
 
2. Hannah Griffiths was born 19 Jan 1847 in Willenhall wolverhampton. She married Joseph Moore 25 Dec 1885 in Heath Town, Staffordshire,. He was born 1862, son of Richard Moore.
 
3. Henry HARRY Griffiths was born 11 Nov 1849 in 11 Nov 1849 Walsall Street and died 1885 in Age 37 Wolverhampton. He married Martha RICH 11 Oct 1874.
 
Children of Henry HARRY Griffiths and Martha RICH:
     i.        5.        John William Griffiths was born 1877 in Walsall Street Wolverhampton
     ii.                 Elizabeth Griffiths was born 22 Apr 1879
 
4. Charles Griffiths was born 1855 in Wolverhampton. He married Sarah Rowley 14 Jun 1886 in Heath Town, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Holy Trinity Dark St Age: 25. She was born 1861, daughter of Benjamin Rowley.
 
Children of Charles Griffiths and Sarah Rowley:
     i.                 Noah Griffiths was born 1889 in Moseley Village
     ii.                 John George Griffiths was born 1892 in Moseley Village and died 1915 in John was Killed in Action at Hill 60 Belgium 23rd September 1915 aged 23.
     iii.                 William Griffiths was born 1896 in Moseley Village
     iv.                 Elizabeth Griffiths was born 1901 in Moseley Village
 
Generation 3
 
5. John William Griffiths was born 1877 in Walsall Street Wolverhampton. He married Susan Thompson 01 Jul 1907. She was born 1879 in castle church stafford and died 08 Oct 1956, daughter of Joseph Thompson and Ann Plant.


Griffiths, John George, Private 1868
1st/6th Bn. South Staffordshire Regiment
John was born in Wolverhampton in 1891, son of Charles and Sarah Griffiths. By 1901 they along with John’s older brother Noah, younger brother William and younger sister Elizabeth were living at 141 Deans Road Moseley Village.
At the time of John’s death his widowed mother was living at 1, Bennett's Buildings, Prestwood Rd., Heath Town
John was Killed in Action at Hill 60 Belgium 23rd September 1915 aged 23.
Grave reference: I. L. 4.
LARCH WOOD (RAILWAY CUTTING) CEMETERY, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
Title: Re: before 1851 census
Post by: geoff3d on Friday 21 February 20 15:45 GMT (UK)
Update John William Griffiths-Birth Certificate
Birth John Griffiths 30 March 1875 @ 235 Willenhall Road, Willenhall East
father a puddler Henry Griffiths Mother Martha Griffiths/Rich
 [0.9 miles from Walsall Street] Deans road and Moseley Village.
Marr Susan Thompson