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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: ankerdine on Wednesday 27 November 19 16:56 GMT (UK)
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I am sure I have posted a request on Rootschat before about "Uncle Tom" but I cannot find it to link.
There have been several family stories about this gentleman who was in the merchant navy and went to St. John's, Newfoundland. His name was Tom Hawker and the stories came from a brother and sister, Arthur and Edith Hawker, my husband's father and aunt.
Today I found a ship's passenger list. The Parisian, 1905, with a T Hawker, Labourer, with final destination as St. John's, Newfoundland. How can I find out more about this entry please?
He may or may not have ended up in Toronto as the owner of a Livery Stables.
If I am duplicating research I do apologise in advance.
Judy
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Hi Judy
When and where was he born please? Have you checked the Canadian 1911 which I think is on Family Search
EDIT
Just found link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1584557
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The June 5 1919 edition of the Toronto Star has an add for Hawker's Auto Livery...in the motor car section of the Classified Ads.
RK
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Possibility...there is a Thomas W Hawker in the 1919 Toronto directory. Says he is a mach (machinist??). Lives at 46 Strathcona Ave.
Might be your man... ??? ???
RK
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1920 Directory has Thomas W Hawker mach at the same address...also a William T Hawker, cutter and a Gertrude M Hawker (works at Eatons department store).
RK
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Found this man in 1911 (there is a William T and a Gertrude M living with him). He was born in 1875 and came to Canada in 1883. Is he too old to be yours?
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=81424
But there is still the Hawker's Auto Livery from 1919....I don't know the name of the proprietor. I haven't seen any other ads for it - only the one from 1919.
RK
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Here is your earlier thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=223047.msg1174580#msg1174580
RK
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Today I found a ship's passenger list. The Parisian, 1905, with a T Hawker, Labourer, with final destination as St. John's, Newfoundland. How can I find out more about this entry please?
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If you mean the Parisian that sailed on Feb 9 1905 - I can see the outgoing list with T Hawker on it. The incoming list for that ship is here … but for some reason (maybe I need new glasses??), I can't see him on it. ???
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=11125&
RK
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Yikes, I see what you mean RK. :P
A maybe, page 8, 3rd from the bottom Thos Hawkin, farming, from Cornwall, married and going
to Perth City, Ontario.
DB
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A big thank you to all of you who have responded.
It's a big problem to sort the wheat from the chaff!
I actually do not know where in our family tree Tom Hawker is placed. My husband was told stories and read letters from him c1946 by family members. I do have a William Thomas Hawker and a Thomas William Hawker but they appear to be unrelated.
I cannot find a marriage of Thomas Hawker and Anna Hordell. Did he go to Canada with children and marry Anna there? I cannot find his birth 1875 either. According to my father-in-law a friend of his was visiting Toronto and saw a funeral supposedly of Mr T Hawker but when I do not know. Or was this just a family story? Unfortunately there is nobody alive any longer to ask.
I like the little advertisement. Now there's a thought.
I will continue to research and ponder over what you have all so kindly put before me.
Judy
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Hi,
I found an obit for Thomas William Hawker (I think this is the man from the 1911 census that was posted earlier...born in 1875 )
Obit says he died on Feb 4 1938. So- he can't be the man who sent letters to your family in 1946. In case he fits in somewhere else...he died at his home 424 Victoria Park Ave. Husband of the late Anna Catherine Kordell. Father of Mrs Frederick Hogg, William Hawker, Mrs Allan MacDonald, Mrs John Marsh, Mrs Harold Matthews, Mrs Arthur Jeffries, and Harry Hawker. Interment St. John's Cemetery.
I like the auto livery ad too. Something to consider. I have been looking for other references to this business, but I haven't found anything yet.
RK
PS - Mrs Allan MacDonald was Gertrude Hawker. She died before 1979 (mentioned in her husband's obit). Mrs Fred Hogg was Anna Hawker (eldest daughter of Thomas). Mrs John Marsh was Florence (I found their marriage notices in the papers).
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Hi RunKitty
Thank you again for the obit. Does it say anything about Thomas Hawker's origins, his place of birth, occupation etc., please?
Do you think he was married elsewhere than England as I cannot find a marriage on FreeBMD?
Judy
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I found another Thos Hawker in the 1930 Toronto directory:
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Married as William Hawker to Anne Kordell 06 Sep 1895 in Toronto. Age 22, born England. Father Thomas William Hawker, mother Maria Jones.
Family in 1901....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=110324&highlight=32&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Annie+Hawker
The family in 1911....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=81424&highlight=49&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Gertrude+M+Hawker
2nd page....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=81425&highlight=2&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Minnie+D+Hawker
Click on split view at the top to see the original image.
PB
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Thank you two also. I have just found Anna Kordell on the 1881 census in Hackney London, with her family but not the 1891 census. It stated somewhere on a Canadian census that her origin was German. I suspect a number of the Kordell family emigrated. I love history.
Judy
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Shaun
There is a Thomas Hawker, a Thomas W and a William T too! Thank you.
Judy
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This looks like burials in Canada for Anna's parents....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153897324/andreas-kordell
PB
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Thank you all for your continued interest in this mystery. I love to see all these old documents but keep getting side-tracked with the foreign names and, presumably, the immigration to Canada and USA around that time. I wonder what happened to that German family (Kordells) and whether they made good, went to war, suffered loss etc. What a book could be written!
For the time being I will check on Tom Hawkers nearer to home. There must be a clue somewhere in the family tree giving rise to this story.
Judy
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Toronto Livery Stables 1918, 1919, and 1920:
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Toronto Livery Stables 1925, 1930, 1935 and 1940, a rapidly shrinking market sector:
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Fascinating to see the rapidly shrinking number of livery stables over that time period!
I wonder how many of them switched to owning automobile liveries instead?
RK
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Shaun
Thank you for spending more time on this elusive Tom Hawker. Unfortunately there isn't a name I recognise in any of your lists. I don't have a date or period of time to help either except that my husband clearly remembers the letters which came to the family when he was a boy.
Would St. Johns, New Foundland be the nearest port from England at that time?
I have looked at my tree again but there are so many combination names of Thomas Henry, Thomas James, Norman Thomas, William Thomas etc.
My husband's father was born in 1912 so if he referred to "uncle Tom" surely he would have been born a lot earlier than f-i-l.
I rest my case.
Don't worry too much about this thread. When Tom is ready he will be found.
Judy