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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: Suemagoo on Friday 10 January 20 17:39 GMT (UK)
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My previous thread concerning info on my 4x GG Brabazon Disney Sheils has been extremely helpful thanks to all who offered me suggestions and leads. I now require advice or an opinion on his rather odd "life" involving wife and children. Please bear with my re-cap of what I have discovered.
B.D. Sheils Esq.born about 1790. His Father was William Sheils, older brother Henry. Mother unknown but assuming maiden name was Disney? He owned and leased a lot of land at Newtown Darver, Louth as well . 1808 he is a 3rd lieutenant infantry for Louth. He was a Sherriff for several years after other "Shiels"men before him. He was a Church Warden from 1819-1829 CoI in Mansfieldtown, Louth. He sat on juries and even held a seat in the Dromiskin Parish up until 1841.
In 1839, his house and some offices on his estate caught fire and burned down. In 1843 he is now selling his estate all 702 acres. Dec 23, 1843 Drogheda Conservative Journal newspaper.
What I don't understand and need help with understanding is that he married Rose Rooney 11 March 1850 in both the Catholic church and had a civil marriage the same day. I just got access to his civil marriage record and his wife Rose was also 60 years of age when they married. Prior to this I found 2 baptism records for his children, Henry Sheils, 19 June 1823 and my 3x GG Mother Elizabeth Anne 02 May 1823 in the Parish of Darver, Catholic church records on line. Rose Rooney listed as Mother. She was Catholic and Brabazon was C of I. I know of 2 other daughters of Brabazon and Rose, Rosa who married in 1850 in Dundalk, Louth and Martha Emily who married in Dublin in 1858.
Why would this couple him CoI and her Catholic, have children then wait so many years to marry? If he was so wealthy and established as a gentleman, in those times, wouldn't that be considered a very careless way to provide and protect his wife and children regarding inheritance and what was and wasn't acceptable during those times? He died on 20 January 1855 in Blackrock, Louth but can't find a death record if one and nothing about his passing except a small snippet in a newspaper that just advised date of death.
Being from Canada I'm not familiar with the history or customs of those times and was wondering if anybody could offer some opinions on this couple. Time to give up and move on but I can't let this go without trying to figure out why they didn't marry when the babies started arriving back in 1814?
Any suggestions or opinions I would greatly appreciate. Not sure how I feel about my 4x GG at the moment.
Thanks in advance,
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*Sorry, made a typo, Henry Sheils his son was born in 1814 and Elizabeth Anne 1823.
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Previous thread....
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818183.msg6805242#msg6805242
I reckon they married on the quiet just before leaving the country!
It was acceptable to many for a wealthy Landowner to have children with the Maid, Servant etc etc.....but taboo for a non R.C. landlord to marry one.
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Brabazon D. Sheils died 20 January 1855 in Blackrock, Louth according to newspaper snippet but no death record or idea where he is laid to rest. There is a family plot at the Mansfieldtown Churchyard. Was there something going on in and around 1843 that would make them leave the country? Never thought of that possibility!!! thanks Hallmark!
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Am only speculating....but it certainly would not have gone down well with the extended family!
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There was a Link posted on other thread
C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Sheils of Ardee http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ob0/
the Marriage Cert Image is now online..you might find siblings but my suspicious mind is about the handwriting itself....and being the only one on the page!!
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Going for food now....don't have time to look at Registrar's writing on other Certs.
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Many thanks Hallmark! Have great weekend!
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Did the NLI give you any help?
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Sent a email but never heard back from them. Sent second request email yesterday so maybe will get a response.
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Wow... normally excellent at answering anything I've asked about.
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I too am descended from James Hodson Bond and Elizabeth Sheils. The info I had on their marriage had Brabazon Disney Sheils as just a witness, so I couldn’t confirm the connection. We also found the later BDS - Rose Rooney marriage (with surprise). My guess on that is that it was a renewal of earlier marriage vows, made later in life when the situation of marriage records had changed a little.
The earlier marriage may have been not recorded, or indeed records lost; and given his status in the region, it could hardly have been a secret, I think. The presence of priests from “both sides” in 1850 seems to be a significant mark of approval.
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I have further info on JH Bond including addresses from directories. Eliza and he had 5 daughters (I call them “the Bond girls”). I am descended from Rosabella (maybe the name is a nod to Rose R.?) She married W.S. Webb (farmer) a few months after her elder sister Mary Elizabeth (---after her mother---) married W.S.’s brother Robert A. Webb (clergy). The latter pair went to a parish in Cork; Rosa and William to the colony of Queensland, newly separated from New South Wales. The sad story from then can be continued later ...
I will break there, as I need to get 3 posts before I can private-message!
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JH Bond seems to have had a litigious streak. I have seen an account of his making a complaint against local youths (in Dundalk or Darver) knocking on his door and then running away. When the boys failed to appear at the court sessions, the magistrate dismissed the case.
Here is a time-line of his (mainly Dublin) life, mainly from directories.
Marr. Lic. 1838 (Index to the Act etc. 1800-58, p.268). Marr. Jan 38 to ES, St Marks
1842 Voters Roll: Freeholder, Darver, Louth
[Not at 27 G.-st in Thom’s ‘50,’52, ‘57]
[1848 Petition to HE Earl of Clarendon, LLG & GG of Ireland re Smith O’Brien has signatory J Bond, Dublin (part 1), Golden Lane (NAI)
1851 Census (index) Jas Bond 8 Exchequer St St Bridget’s South of Liffey - these may be another JB]
Griffiths Valuation (1848-64) JHB is occupier at 26 Wellington Pl, town of Dundalk (Michael Casey imm. lessor): house & offices val. L14-0-0
1850,52: no entry in Thom
1855 Helena G bapt. from 26 Middle Gardiner st.
1857 Thom’s: 26 Middle Gardner st.
1858 July 19: JHB is witn. for husb. at marr. of JW Miller (bk-kpr) of 32 Pleasant St to Martha Emily Sheils of 37 (sic) Grenville St, dr of BD Sheils. (NB 37 Gr St does not exist in directories -- should be 27). Wit. for Wife, Robert Keating Clay
1859 Thom’s: 27 Grenville St, Dublin
1862 Thom’s: 27 Grenville St (LL28)
1863 27 Grenville St, Dublin address of Rosabella and WSW at marr. 1863
1868 Thom’s (Muckross Terrace) 52 Bushfield ave (off Donnybrook rd) Pemroke township
1870 Slater’s Leinster Directory has him -and also Brabazon Disney Shiels - at Newton-Darver (in Castle-Bellingham, Dunleer, etc.)
1870 Slater’s Dublin dir. has him at 1 Eveton, Rathgar ave.
1871 Thom’s: 4 Leicester ave., Rathgar
1875 Death at 4 Effra rd., Rathmines. State “married”. Reported by Mary King (with her mark).
1876 Probate granted to Eva Helena Bond of Rathmines-rd. spinster, dr of JHB. Effects <L20. JHB late of Effra-rd. Rathmines.