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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: davidft on Sunday 01 March 20 15:01 GMT (UK)
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On the 1861 census there is an Isabella Burdon (nee Irwin) 33 born Cashaw, Durham. The census clearly says Cashaw, does anyone have any idea what this might be.
I have found her baptism in 1827 and the abode then is given as Harraton in the Chester Le Street district. I had wondered if Cashaw could be Ushaw (Ushaw Moor) but that seems to far away and does not tie in with the baptism.
On the 1851 she only gives her birthplace as Durham, and don't know where she after 1861, either dead, gone back to America or remarried perhaps?
Any ideas what Cashaw is supposed to be.
Thank you
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What about Coxhoe?
Is she the Isabelah Burdon recorded in the 1851 census living in Witton Gilbert (with a husband Robert and daughter Barbary)? If so pob is given as Sherburn in that year.
William
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Thank you for the suggestion.
Yes that is the right census for 1851 you have but I don't think it gives her place of birth as Sherburn. On the census record it is only the Durham part that is copied, or at least that is my interpretation.
Coxhoe is even further away than Ushaw but I will keep it in mind.
Thank you
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In the 1851 Census her husband's birthplace is given as Durham, Sherburn and for Isabella's place of birth the Enumerator has written Ditto ( actually Do) so I would take that to mean her birthplace was also given as Sherburn.
Emeltom
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1851 ref HO107; Piece: 2394; Folio: 334; Page: 18
To me the 1861 RG 9; Piece: 3709; Folio: 52; Page: 41 Isabella's pob looks like Coshaw...
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Thank you emelton.
I understand what you are saying but if the enumerator was copying the place name as well as the county I would expect them to put a do under both or to put in in the middle of the line so clearly indicating it referred to both. At least that's my theory.
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Thank you Josey.
I guess it is easier to get to Coxhoe from Coshaw than from Cashaw.
Hmm a bit of a mystery.
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Here's the earliest map of Harraton I can find, 1896.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/120935130
Off topic, but there's a Nova Scotia!
ADDED: I see that just east of Harraton is a Chartershaugh
https://maps.nls.uk/view/120935139
I wonder how that is pronounced locally?
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Here's the earliest map of Harraton I can find, 1896.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/120935130
Off topic, but there's a Nova Scotia!
ADDED: I see that just east of Harraton is a Chartershaugh
https://maps.nls.uk/view/120935139
I wonder how that is pronounced locally?
Re Chartershaugh, good find. I can see that getting mangled to Cashaw\Coshaw
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I hope this link works but there is an article (I can’t view it) but what I can see from this snippet (10th article down) - there is a COSHOW Durham- if I’m reading it correctly
https://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/searchbna/results?memberlastsubclass=none&searchhistorykey=0&keywords=william%20gedge&county=cambridgeshire%2C%20england&from=1750&to=1799
Claire
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Off topic, but there's a Nova Scotia!
According to "A Dictionary of County Durham Place Names", Nova Scotia is a typical name for a remote field on a farm. From "English Field Names: A Dictionary" by John Field.
Stan
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Thank you Claire, I can see Coshow in the index but requires a subscription to open the page apparently (I thought my membership of the site would suffice but seems not?). Still if all else fails I can make a note to look it up later. Thank you.
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I found the excerpt on findmypast newspapers - OCR has read it as Coshow but it is printed Coxhow.
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According to "The Place Names of Durham" by the Rev. Charles E. Jackson, published in 1916, the "Dictionary of County Durham Place Names" by Victor Watts, published in 2002, and "Durham Places in the Mid-Nineteenth Century" published by Durham County Record Office, there is no such place as Coshow.
There is no record of Coshow in the Durham County Record Office archives
Stan
I found the excerpt on findmypast newspapers - OCR has read it as Coshow but it is printed Coxhow.
That explains it :)
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Just did a blank name search of any census for a person in Coshaw - a Mary Joyce states her place of birth as Coshaw, Durham on two entries
EDIT- born in Coxhoe on a prior entry
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Thank you all looks like Coxhoe is what I need to be looking at.
I think I will have to look for another baptism for Isabella
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So the next question, if someone was born in Coxhoe where would their baptism come under, would it be Chester Le Street ?
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Not sure to be honest given Coxhoe’s proximity to Durham.
I can only see the baptism entry you have already found. Father - John.
A transcript of the marriage gives her fathers name as John Irwin
Claire
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Yes that is why I had originally thought I had the right baptism and in the right sort of area
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So the next question, if someone was born in Coxhoe where would their baptism come under, would it be Chester Le Street ?
Coxhoe was in Kelloe Parish until 1868.
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11114?SearchType=PlaceAtoZ&SearchStart=C&Page=2
(the Durham Record Office place name index is invaluable)
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So the next question, if someone was born in Coxhoe where would their baptism come under, would it be Chester Le Street ?
Coxhoe
Kelloe St. Helen (until 1868)
Coxhoe St. Mary (1868 onwards)
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10529/Search-Place-Names
Stan
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Thanks both. There are no Irwin baptisms in Kelloe so I will stick with the one I have found for the time being.
(I did try Genuki to find the correct parish to no avail).
Still its been a good trip around Durham this afternoon ;)
Thanks all.
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For what it is worth Durham Records Online has transcribed the 1861 pob for Isabella as Coxhoe or Coshaw.
I can see exactly why you were drawn to the Chester le Street baptism with abode as Harraton - parents John and Mary and occupation as pitman. (There seems to be another John and Mary Irwin having children baptised in Chester le Street in this period - he is a publican in Pithill).
Do you think Isabella is showing in 1841 living in Sacriston? if so father would appear to have remarried to a Barbara ( possibly Walton with a maiden name of Aisgill). If the correct family the 1851 census has a lot of Durham Nks for place of birth.
William
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Thank you. That is an interesting entry after all Isabella names her daughter Barbara and that Barbara if the right couple would be her step mother (1836 marriage). I shall have a look at that and the other one and then probably end up with a list of alternatives ;) (Fortunately not my direct line!)
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Hi, Just seen this post and for what it is worth would like to offer my opinion.
Hi,
Harraton Colliery was situated in the village of Harraton, in the district of Chester-le-Street Town, Co. Durham, part of that pit was called Nova Scotia, and became known locally as 'Cotia'
Cosha, Coshaw or however they felt like spelling it. Could this be the solution to your problem? Our grandfather was a miner here for many years. Hope this might help.
Regards,
Dorothy
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Thank you for the suggestion.
I will make a note of it and come back to this in the future as I am presently going through my tree checking entries, still some way to go. I hate to say it but I am convinced Ancestry have deleted some of the entries I made but then again might just be my memory going haywire!
David
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Your welcome David and hope you are soon able to solve your problem, my gut feeling is that this
is where the answer to your query lies. Local pitmatic dialogues and pronunciations differ a lot in this
and I guess the Emunerator doing the Census in question just wrote down what it sounded like.
Good luck,
Dorothy